Free Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 I believe partner, I don't like to base my actions on partner forgetting something as simple as this. If I'm right, I'll trust my partner's calls less, if I'm wrong partner won't trust me anymore. Then you have the wrong partner. I try to anticipate what is going on at the table. If I would pass here and I am wrong, my partner will understand it. Luckily my partner does not make many msitakes, but like any human being, he is able to blunder once in while, or to forget an agreement that seldom occurs. So, if I belive that this had happened here, he will still trust me in the future. As I am unable to construct hands, where he has his bid, I would simply pass.Of course, playing against frivolous citizens, I would double. But these players are rare birds. Anticipating that partner forgot an agreement that seldom occurs is acceptable I guess. But (1X)-p-(1Y)-1NT is not rare at all, you encounter this every session! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Well, if you're playing with Darren himself, it may be very well possible that he psyched the 1NT...if I was playing with myself then I would be doubling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 If partner has his hand, it probably means LHO has 3♠ with a ♥ void with less than 2/1 strength. He didn't want to bid 1NT, so he choose the smallest lie. If lefty has that, we still don't have game anywhere; the final contract will not be duplicated at the other table, and we will still gain a lot by passing. Double is a no-win call. I agree that Dbl is a no-win call. But I wouldn't say I expect to gain a lot by passing, because you still have to find a good lead and might give away the contract if you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Do not believe there is a penalty bonanza here. Maybe 4S=, 4S-1. Close. Should I double in dis-belief? Let's see opponents make 9,10 tricks - challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Well it is IMPs so 1100 is better than 400 regardless of what happens at the other table(s). This is certainly true and I was inclined to jump up on my chair and yell "harvest time." However since you rate to make a part score at the other table your net total points prior to IMP converssion rates to be in the 500-700 or 1200-1400 total and the IMPS difference between those scores is on the order of 4 or 5. Consequently this becomes more of an insurance policy where you give up 4 or 5 IMPS in case partner has screwed up bigtime but still expect to net 10 or 11 IMPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Anticipating that partner forgot an agreement that seldom occurs is acceptable I guess. But (1X)-p-(1Y)-1NT is not rare at all, you encounter this every session! I have still a hand to come where I can bid 1 NT natural in this position. I am very sure that this is so seldom, because we had hard fights about the meaning of this bid. I believe that it will "never" happen, that you hold a hand, where you want to bid a natural 1 NT in 4. position. Up to now, (around 600 boards later) I am still winning the bet. ;) But I guess my partner and me will still not forget the meaning because the discussion was really lengthy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohitz Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Anticipating that partner forgot an agreement that seldom occurs is acceptable I guess. But (1X)-p-(1Y)-1NT is not rare at all, you encounter this every session! I disagree. I don't even remember the last time I had a 5-5 hand in the unbid suits when the auction went this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 I'm going out on a limb here. I'm predicting someone wasn't too happy when their opponent passed this hand, thus fielding a misbid of the 1N bidder. Is Sandwich NT commonly played in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 How did you know this came from the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 How did you know this came from the UK? I have AI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 icwudt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrenE Posted April 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Well, if you're playing with Darren himself, it may be very well possible that he psyched the 1NT...if I was playing with myself then I would be doubling! Lol! One of those situations where partner does not know our system! 1N for us in the sandwich position is artificial! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Well, if you're playing with Darren himself, it may be very well possible that he psyched the 1NT...if I was playing with myself then I would be doubling! Lol! One of those situations where partner does not know our system! 1N for us in the sandwich position is artificial! :rolleyes: Well, in the context of your question, you have to admit that you did make that 1NT overcall "psyche" last month... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrenE Posted April 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Well, if you're playing with Darren himself, it may be very well possible that he psyched the 1NT...if I was playing with myself then I would be doubling! Lol! One of those situations where partner does not know our system! 1N for us in the sandwich position is artificial! :rolleyes: Well, in the context of your question, you have to admit that you did make that 1NT overcall "psyche" last month... :o moi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Well, if you're playing with Darren himself, it may be very well possible that he psyched the 1NT...if I was playing with myself then I would be doubling! Lol! One of those situations where partner does not know our system! 1N for us in the sandwich position is artificial! :rolleyes: Well, in the context of your question, you have to admit that you did make that 1NT overcall "psyche" last month... :o moi? LOL. My first thought on reading this thread for the first time was "I bet Darren psyched the 1NT", and lo! and behold, Shen Ting writes the same thing on the second page of the thread :) All we need now is the Gnome agreeing with us and we'll have the hattrick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Anticipating that partner forgot an agreement that seldom occurs is acceptable I guess. But (1X)-p-(1Y)-1NT is not rare at all, you encounter this every session! I disagree. I don't even remember the last time I had a 5-5 hand in the unbid suits when the auction went this way. I realise I said the auction 1X-pass-1Y-1NT is frequent, but I actually meant 1X-pass-1Y-???. Either you play sandwich, or you don't. In all my partnerships it's clear what I play, since the auction 1X-pass-1Y occurs VERY often and I need to know what to do. You need 5-5 to bid 1NT so it doesn't come up every session, but as I expected you know what 1NT means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Psyching when both opponents have already bid is just stupid imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaftij Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Double!My regular partner knows his system, the auction is fairly frequent, he does not psyche, we stand to gain tons of imps. I really don't care which opponent has gone bananas. One thing is sure, I have consistently faith in my partners bids and I am confident that it is winning tactics in the long run. Only if partners bids are obviously inconsistent will I have to look to the opponents bidding to guess what went wrong. If you really don't have faith in partner you can speculate if he did mistakenly place 1NT on the table rather than 2NT. Or did he somehow think it was I and not LHO who bid 1NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 Psyching when both opponents have already bid is just stupid imo. Not quite two 'bids', but this is still one of my favorites: Hannie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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