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11 tricks???

 

That;s not a healthy agreement imo.

Last time I checked you needed 11 tricks to score up a minor suit game :lol: This of course assumes you have to bypass 3NT because you probably won't take 9 tricks in time.

So by your logic you need 11 tricks to open 1? :)

gee I hope not! Else I really convoluted my logic worse than normal :)

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Honestly speaking both 3 and 4 is not better than just showing an outside stopper.

 

Last but not least, don't waste bidding spaces if one is not very fear of missing responses/overcalls, opener.

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