bid this

[mohitz]

There was a time when i used to bid 3S here. But pretty sure now I would raise diamonds.

[aguahombre]

This is with a regular, experienced partner, he will have a good, solid diamond suit for his bid. It is pointless attempting to make sense of any bidding sequences opposite random BBO experts and very detrimental to try to cater for it.

 

I raised ♦'s here and gave up trying to show the 5 ♠'s. With the limited space available  I thought if I did not make an immediate raise, partner would never believe I had 3 card support.

Well, since neither you nor partner is B/I, and you made the correct 4D raise, then the value of posting this in that forum is still huge. And the lessons for B/I are:

 

1)2C - 2D

3m is a very, very strong one-suiter.

 

2) The AKQ A AKXXXX KXX hand given by the Hog should rebid NT, not diamonds.

 

3) B/I players should (as others have learned) not open 2C with marginal strength and long minor.

[Phil]

Our spades can't be great since we didn't bid 2♠. Yet 4♦ looks pretty obvious.

 

3♠ looks like a GIB call to me. I hate GIBs (lately anyway).

[pooltuna]

I believe very very strongly in 4♦ here. Raise your partner! Bidding spades is misleading and usually a waste of time.

yep this is the time to bypass trying for 3NT as ♦ hands opened with 2♣ are usually highly distorted in some way.

[gwnn]

Our spades can't be great since we didn't bid 2♠. Yet 4♦ looks pretty obvious.

 

3♠ looks like a GIB call to me. I hate GIBs (lately anyway).

you have like 2 or 3 more spades than GIB usually for this bid:)

[Codo]

And the lessons for B/I are:

 

2) The AKQ A AKXXXX KXX hand given by the Hog should rebid NT, not diamonds.

I disagree, but I doubt that 2 NT is a better bid then 3 diamond with Rons example.

 

I think that you should bid a one suiter as a onesuiter if you hold one. You may learn the exeptions later.

[jukmoi]

Just to add to how ridiculous passing 3N is

 

A AKx AKQxxx Kxx

void AKx AKQxxxx Kxx

Ax AKx AKQxxx Kx

etc etc

 

are all automatic 3N bids over 3S and all are cold for 7D or 7N. These examples aren't even contrived, they are totally standard hands for partner on this auction. It's actually not easy to come up with a 2C then 3D hand for opener where 3N is right.

I think that these are automatic 4♦ rebids. Then I will bid 5.♣

[jdonn]

Just to add to how ridiculous passing 3N is

 

A AKx AKQxxx Kxx

void AKx AKQxxxx Kxx

Ax AKx AKQxxx Kx

etc etc

 

are all automatic 3N bids over 3S and all are cold for 7D or 7N. These examples aren't even contrived, they are totally standard hands for partner on this auction. It's actually not easy to come up with a 2C then 3D hand for opener where 3N is right.

I think that these are automatic 4♦ rebids. Then I will bid 5.♣

The second one yes. The first and third definitely not. 3♦ already shows a good suit when opener can help it. Do you just never play 3NT when you haven't found a fit?

[gwnn]

partner already told us about his diamonds! we heard him, so he doesn't need to rebid 4D just because we are bad at bridge, maybe we could learn bridge

[jukmoi]

partner already told us about his diamonds! we heard him, so he doesn't need to rebid 4D just because we are bad at bridge, maybe we could learn bridge

Cant we play 4NT?

[gwnn]

where did I say we can't?

 

It's just that

 

we have exactly what we promised:

 

a good hand with 6 good diamonds

 

partner showed a 5 card suit in spades, where we have the stiff ace/Ax

 

so now we tell him that....

 

a. well partner I HAVE DIAMONDS I HAVE DIAMONDS 6 DIAMONDS i have a good hand with 6 diamonds yoohoo whoopiieee diamondsszzzzzz

b. well I have nothing else to say, sorry I don't have 3 spades and I have 10 hcp in the unbid suits and no extras

 

which of the two is more accurate?

 

(I am talking about hands 1 and 3, I sort of agree that 4D is OK on hand 2)

[jdonn]

partner already told us about his diamonds! we heard him, so he doesn't need to rebid 4D just because we are bad at bridge, maybe we could learn bridge

Cant we play 4NT?

Can't 4NT be down with 3NT making? AKQxxx is not a solid suit and all partner needs is a king for the 2♦ bid (in one case that could even be opposite singleton ace and you would never reach dummy...)

 

You haven't said why you are dying to bypass 3NT to rebid a minor suit you have alread shown on an auction that has uncovered no fit.

[Rodney26]

Agree very strongly with 4♦ and jdonn's thoughts.

 

I probably open 2♣ on one suited majors too frequently, because I despise the auction 1M-1NT-4M and playing an immediate double negative gives me some leeway to get out in 3 of a major opposite a trainwreck dummy. 2♣-2♦-3♦ in my book should be an unbelievably strong hand because it is such an awkward auction. I also suspect 1♦ will almost never get passed out when you have length & strength in diamonds; 1♠ on a 9 trick hand is just preemptive enough that you might buy it occasionally for an easy 170 and a bad score.

 

When you open 2♣ and plan to rebid a minor, have the goods.

[Jlall]

Just to add to how ridiculous passing 3N is

 

A AKx AKQxxx Kxx

void AKx AKQxxxx Kxx

Ax AKx AKQxxx Kx

etc etc

 

are all automatic 3N bids over 3S and all are cold for 7D or 7N. These examples aren't even contrived, they are totally standard hands for partner on this auction. It's actually not easy to come up with a 2C then 3D hand for opener where 3N is right.

I think that these are automatic 4♦ rebids. Then I will bid 5.♣

The second one yes. The first and third definitely not. 3♦ already shows a good suit when opener can help it. Do you just never play 3NT when you haven't found a fit?

Why is the 2nd one an automatic 4D bid? I would never go past 3N at MP when partner bids spades.

[jdonn]

Actually in hindsight I think you're right, my bad. Although 4♦ could work out well so maybe it's close.

[Jlall]

Actually in hindsight I think you're right, my bad. Although 4♦ could work out well so maybe it's close.

It's ok when I say it it makes more sense than clee obv :P

[mike777]

[hv=d=n&v=e&s=sj8642h87dt96caq5]133|100|Scoring: MP

2♣:2♦*

3♦:[/hv]

 

*2♦ waiting, A or K

2♥ would be bust

easy 4d...np yet.

 

Pard has 10+ winners...I have 1.5 or so.....

 

I dont see a second choice.

[MinorKid]

It's actually not easy to come up with a 2C then 3D hand for opener where 3N is right.

I totally argee with it. :P

One of the reason they call me MinorKid.

 

So let's make the 3NT a descriptive forcing bid, to 4NT perhaps.

Just for this example hand. If 3NT is forcing i can't see any better bids!

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IMO we know we have at least 11 tricks. All we have to find:

♣ second round control, in priority.

♥ control

♠ control

♦ AKQJ...

so we support immediately, 4♦ then 5♣.

[jukmoi]

Just to add to how ridiculous passing 3N is

 

A AKx AKQxxx Kxx

void AKx AKQxxxx Kxx

Ax AKx AKQxxx Kx

etc etc

 

are all automatic 3N bids over 3S and all are cold for 7D or 7N. These examples aren't even contrived, they are totally standard hands for partner on this auction. It's actually not easy to come up with a 2C then 3D hand for opener where 3N is right.

OK. You have convinced me, as responder 4♦ is best. Bidding 3♠ and passing 3NT/4♠ was just a gut reaction.

[rogerclee]

So let's make the 3NT a descriptive forcing bid, to 4NT perhaps.

I am completely against this heh.

[MinorKid]

So let's make the 3NT a descriptive forcing bid, to 4NT perhaps.

I am completely against this heh.

It depends on how strong a 2♣ opener rebids 3♦.

I will play it as 20+HCP and/or 11 tricks.

[hanp]

11 tricks???

 

That;s not a healthy agreement imo.

[pooltuna]

11 tricks???

 

That;s not a healthy agreement imo.

Last time I checked you needed 11 tricks to score up a minor suit game :) This of course assumes you have to bypass 3NT because you probably won't take 9 tricks in time.

[jdonn]

11 tricks???

 

That;s not a healthy agreement imo.

Last time I checked you needed 11 tricks to score up a minor suit game :) This of course assumes you have to bypass 3NT because you probably won't take 9 tricks in time.

So by your logic you need 11 tricks to open 1♣? :)

[mohitz]

11 tricks???

 

That;s not a healthy agreement imo.

Last time I checked you needed 11 tricks to score up a minor suit game :lol: This of course assumes you have to bypass 3NT because you probably won't take 9 tricks in time.

So by your logic you need 11 tricks to open 1♣? :)

good agreement IMO. A plus score is always nice!