2/1 gf , your bid

[jillybean]

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1♠:2♥

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[brillage]

How about 3♣

[the hog]

Depends on the style you play. I play that 3C shows extras, so for me this is a 2S bid.

[mike777]

easy 3c for me, not extras. Pard will know I can have worse than this.

 

 

 

2s shows 6 for me not some random mini with 5+

[jillybean]

Depends on the style you play. I play that 3C shows extras, so for me this is a 2S bid.

I also play 3♣ shows extras, I made the bad choice of 3♥ (corrected!) here, I think I would have been better to bid 2♠ (min, 5+) and ♥ next turn if I needed to.

[mikeh]

easy 2♠

[hanp]

2S.

 

2H is an insufficient bid.

[Fluffy]

insufficent, but a great bid anyway, I like it, did you suceed? :(

[pooltuna]

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1♠:2♥

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either 2♠ or 3♣ depending on what partner should expect

[jillybean]

Ooops, 3♥, fortunately BBO won't allow me to make insufficient bids.

[Fluffy]

I don't like 3♥ at all, at least it is better than an extra showing 3♣ but 2♠ stands out IMO.

[pooltuna]

Ooops, 3♥, fortunately BBO won't allow me to make insufficient bids.

I assume you mean partner calls 3♥ instead of 2♥. That being the case what agreements are we using for the bid. If preemptive I am inclined to pass. If it is a SJS (I know it is hard to imagine) then 4♥

[jillybean]

Ooops, 3♥, fortunately BBO won't allow me to make insufficient bids.

I assume you mean partner calls 3♥ instead of 2♥. That being the case what agreements are we using for the bid. If preemptive I am inclined to pass. If it is a SJS (I know it is hard to imagine) then 4♥

No, I bid 3♥ in response to partners 2♥

[jjbrr]

I really like a style that bids 2♠ with this hand.

[aguahombre]

As Porky and Pool have intimated, the important thing is what Partner expects you to bid with this hand.

 

I, also, prefer the style where I have to mark time with 2S. Our "high reverses" show extra strength, even in 2/1 GF. Liking the style which requires a 2S rebid is not the same as liking the 2S rebid, however. Other than denying some holdings which can be described, it is a bit random.

 

After this start in 2/1, responder can also mark time with 2NT --confident that it, too, is forcing. So, opener can start to unscrew the auction at the 3-level if needed.

[neilkaz]

Depends on the style you play. I play that 3C shows extras, so for me this is a 2S bid.

I also play 3♣ shows extras, I made the bad choice of 3♥ (corrected!) here, I think I would have been better to bid 2♠ (min, 5+) and ♥ next turn if I needed to.

Using the style where 3♣ shows extra (my preference is for it show at least something extra..ie clearly better than your hand) you rebid is clearly 2♠. I would not raise partner directly with 2 cards and the raise from 2 to 3♥ rather than a direct jump to 4♥ is played by many as having at least mild slam interest.

[aguahombre]

....... and the raise from 2 to 3♥ rather than a direct jump to 4♥ is played by many as having at least mild slam interest.

While getting off-topic ---I agree that many people do this, but disagree with the concept.

 

2/1 allows auctions to develope at a leisurely pace. "Fast arrival", though it shows a minimum, also consumes bidding space for the times responder is not minimum ---often leaving responder with only Blackwood available as a tool.

 

Many people feel that unnecessay jumps should be "picture bids", denying any control in the other two suits and a minimum. This information might be more useful to partner than a random fast arrival. They are content that a simple raise in a 2/1 auction merely shows support and might or might not have extra values.

[ArtK78]

1♠ - 2♥ is a very awkward sequence in 2/1 or even in Standard. For this reason, I adopted a method from a friend of mine who plays this with some internationalists.

 

1♠ - 2♥ 5+ hearts, 10+HCP, not game forcing.

 

Opener's rebids:

 

2♠ - Mark time bid. Says absolutely nothing except an inability to make any other call.

2NT - Artificial game force. Natural bidding follows.

3♣ or 3♦ - Natural and game forcing. Natural bidding follows.

3♥ - Natural and not forcing.

3♠ - Natural and not forcing.

3NT - To play.

4♣ or 4♦ - Splinters.

4♥ or 4♠ - To play.

 

If the auction starts 1♠-2♥-2♠, responder can bid 2NT, 3♥ or 3♠ as natural and nonforcing. Anything else is natural and forcing to game (with 4 of a minor being a splinter in support of spades).

 

Very simple and very effective.

[jdonn]

1♠ - 2♥ is a very awkward sequence in 2/1 or even in Standard.  For this reason, I adopted a method from a friend of mine who plays this with some internationalists.

 

1♠ - 2♥ 5+ hearts, 10+HCP, not game forcing.

If you are otherwise playing 2/1 game forcing, why would you want to take the sequence you admit is awkward and put more hands into it?

 

Very simple and very effective.

Um.... lol, half right!

[ArtK78]

1♠ - 2♥ is a very awkward sequence in 2/1 or even in Standard.  For this reason, I adopted a method from a friend of mine who plays this with some internationalists.

 

1♠ - 2♥ 5+ hearts, 10+HCP, not game forcing.

If you are otherwise playing 2/1 game forcing, why would you want to take the sequence you admit is awkward and put more hands into it?

 

Very simple and very effective.

Um.... lol, half right!

Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

[jdonn]

1♠ - 2♥ is a very awkward sequence in 2/1 or even in Standard.  For this reason, I adopted a method from a friend of mine who plays this with some internationalists.

 

1♠ - 2♥ 5+ hearts, 10+HCP, not game forcing.

If you are otherwise playing 2/1 game forcing, why would you want to take the sequence you admit is awkward and put more hands into it?

 

Very simple and very effective.

Um.... lol, half right!

Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

Who says I haven't tried it? You think I liked being a strong 5422 that has to choose between missing slam with 4♥ or getting too high with blackwood? Or being responder on a game force with 6 hearts and having to make up a minor suit, or insist on a possible bad heart fit, or be 2722 with extras and have no rebid? That when I was opener and rebid 3♦ and partner bid 3NT I didn't know if he had 10 or 15?

 

Btw you didn't answer my question.

[Bbradley62]

After this start in 2/1, responder can also mark time with 2NT --confident that it, too, is forcing. So, opener can start to unscrew the auction at the 3-level if needed.

If 2♠ and 2NT are both marking time with a minimum, what is the distinction between the two? Shouldn't 2NT imply a balanced hand?

[Phil]

2♠.

 

Max Hardy is rolling over in his grave.

[neilkaz]

....... and the raise from 2 to 3♥ rather than a direct jump to 4♥ is played by many as having at least mild slam interest.

While getting off-topic ---I agree that many people do this, but disagree with the concept.

 

2/1 allows auctions to develope at a leisurely pace. "Fast arrival", though it shows a minimum, also consumes bidding space for the times responder is not minimum ---often leaving responder with only Blackwood available as a tool.

 

Many people feel that unnecessay jumps should be "picture bids", denying any control in the other two suits and a minimum. This information might be more useful to partner than a random fast arrival. They are content that a simple raise in a 2/1 auction merely shows support and might or might not have extra values.

We agree 100% about fast arrival in this 2/1 auction-type.

[aguahombre]

After this start in 2/1, responder can also mark time with 2NT --confident that it, too, is forcing.  So, opener can start to unscrew the auction at the 3-level if needed.

If 2♠ and 2NT are both marking time with a minimum, what is the distinction between the two? Shouldn't 2NT imply a balanced hand?

the 2NT I was referring to is the rebid by responder after the 2S rebid by opener. Yes a 2NT rebid by opener as opposed to 2S rebid is size and shape showing.