Still problems with RKC for minors

[mikeh]

I had this auction at the p/ship bidding tables last night and not surprisingly, we weren't on the same page.

 

1♣:1♠

2♦:2♥* 4sgf

3♣:4♣ if we use this to set ♣ trump, asking partner to cue then is;

 

3♣:3♦ setting ♦ trump, asking partner to cue?

3♣:4♦ rkc for ♣?

your partner reversed, so it is not common to play 4SF after that. 2♥ is better used as ingberman: typically a weak hand that does NOT force to game, with all other bids being natural and forcing to game..(other than 2♠ which is ambiguous as to strength but shows 5+ spades) ... thus over 2♦, both 3♣ and 3♦ are gf and natural.

[jillybean]

I had this auction at the p/ship bidding tables last night and not surprisingly, we weren't on the same page.

 

1♣:1♠

2♦:2♥* 4sgf

3♣:4♣ if we use this to set ♣ trump, asking partner to cue then is;

 

3♣:3♦ setting ♦ trump, asking partner to cue?

3♣:4♦ rkc for ♣?

your partner reversed, so it is not common to play 4SF after that. 2♥ is better used as ingberman: typically a weak hand that does NOT force to game, with all other bids being natural and forcing to game..(other than 2♠ which is ambiguous as to strength but shows 5+ spades) ... thus over 2♦, both 3♣ and 3♦ are gf and natural.

Ah yes 2♥ should be natural after the reverse. We play Leb over a reverse to show a weak hand, I need to think about this some more.

[hanp]

Even though I think kickback is a very good convention, I would not recommend it except to quite serious bridge players who are in well established partnerships.

 

I wouldn't recommend 4m as keycards to anybody.

[jillybean]

Even though I think kickback is a very good convention, I would not recommend it except to quite serious bridge players who are in well established partnerships.

What do you mean by 'quite serious bridge players' ? Players who are already expert or players who don't want to play 0-299'er church bridge?

 

I wouldn't recommend 4m as keycards to anybody

4m meaning any minorwood type auction?

[hanp]

Not sure what expert means but I think most people my level are better off not playing kickback. (by which I don't mean to say that I know my level. :) )

 

As for 4m as keycards, I think there may be a few auctions where minorwood might be a good idea (like 1m-2m-4m, though I can't remember a hand where I wanted to ask for keycards immediately and 4NT wouldn't have sufficed). It's a bit like Gerber, playing a few auctions such as 1NT - 4C as Gerber might be a good idea but playing that any 4C bid in [such and such and such] auctions asks for aces sounds like a bad convention.

 

For the majority of improving bridge players I think it is a better idea to focus on partnership approach to slam bidding rather than other ways to ask for keycards. Being able to suggests a slam in clubs or diamonds seems very important to me, and sometimes you have to that at the 4-level.