MinorKid Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 [hv=d=w&v=b&n=shakjtxxdakxcaqxx&s=sxxxhqdqjtxxxxcxx]133|200|Scoring: IMPN - S2♣ 2♦2♥ 3♦3♥ 4♦7♦![/hv]EDIT: The hand has changed. this is the right one in the club. Too tired...Sorry! The bidding should be the same of course. I truly remember i have bid ♦ 3 times. Playing pairs, It was 22:25pm , nearly the close of the club. We were still running the last board.Feeling too tired, and respectful of my partner's bid,I let 7♦ go. :huh: Both 7♦ and 7♥ makes but we went home without seeing the IMP. Do you think we had the top ranking for this board? :unsure: [hv=d=w&v=b&w=saqtxxhxxxxdxckjxx&e=skjxxxhxxdxxctxx]266|100|Scoring: IMPE-W Hands[/hv]Lead on my table: ♠A i ruffed it by ♦5 (should be ♦A) from dummy without blanking an eye, leading to my memory confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukmoi Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I dont see how you can make 7♥ and 7♦ by South on club lead requires a finesse or 22 ♦. You have to guess which. I would be surprised if more pairs than 1/10 will bid 7♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted April 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Lead a club from ♣K-J-x-x against grand slam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted April 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I dont see how you can make 7♥ and 7♦ by South on club lead requires a finesse or 22 ♦. You have to guess which. I would be surprised if more pairs than 1/10 will bid 7♦. Do you also expects 6♦ / 6♥ ? It is our last board, so my partner put full chips to the table, to impress those reading the scores perhaps, and the bidding is within his imagination too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 7D is an excellent contract, you did well to bid it. 7H has no play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted April 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 7D is an excellent contract, you did well to bid it. 7H has no play. EDIT: the hand had CHANGEDSORRY . I am still tired thinking about that board. I am sure i have an entry. Both contract makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukmoi Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Lead a club from ♣K-J-x-x against grand slam? Maybe not. Then again it is about 100 % that ♣A that will be in the dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted April 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Lead a club from ♣K-J-x-x against grand slam? Maybe not. Then again it is about 100 % that ♣A that will be in the dummy. I tested with my software and the lead is still ♠A when i inputed the wrong hand and the right hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted April 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 7D is an excellent contract, you did well to bid it. It was my favourite partner, a full time associate engineering student.Meanwhile i was just painting a picture to him. Gee i went home without waiting for the hand sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Considering the enormous variance different fields can have, no idea if it's a good score or not. My guess would be that you're getting a decent score more times than not. I dont see how you can make 7♥ and 7♦ by South on club lead requires a finesse or 22 ♦. You have to guess which. Am I missing something, or is there a far, far better line than taking the club finesse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 A decent score? I would expect a superior score for bidding and making 7♦ on these cards at IMP scoring. Even at matchpoints it should be a good score, possibly a very good score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Am I missing something, or is there a far, far better line than taking the club finesse? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I dont understand what's going on in this thread. You bid a grand at the club and you think you didnt get a great board? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted April 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I dont understand what's going on in this thread. You bid a grand at the club and you think you didnt get a great board? :blink: Okay what will U do after 4♦ ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I won't get to 7♥, but I will get to 7♦ via 5♠ 5NT (0) 6♣ (Q?) 7♦ (yes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 7♦ and 7♥ are both completely cold, has the hand changed? Anyway I expect you scored GREAT for 7♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I won't get to 7♥, but I will get to 7♦ via 5♠ 5NT (0) 6♣ (Q?) 7♦ (yes) How many diamonds do you think partner has? If it's 7, you don't care if partner hast he queen. If it's 6, you do care. Right? W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 7♦ and 7♥ are both completely cold, has the hand changed? Anyway I expect you scored GREAT for 7♦. Yeah the hand got edited while I was sleeping :blink: 7H still seems down on 5-1 hearts or a diamond ruff so completely cold is an overbid. IIRC 5-1 hearts is like 15 %, and 3-0 diamonds a certain way is like 10 %. Not trying to nitpick, that is very far from cold though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 7♦ and 7♥ are both completely cold, has the hand changed? Anyway I expect you scored GREAT for 7♦. Yeah the hand got edited while I was sleeping :blink: 7H still seems down on 5-1 hearts or a diamond ruff so completely cold is an overbid. IIRC 5-1 hearts is like 15 %, and 3-0 diamonds a certain way is like 10 %. Not trying to nitpick, that is very far from cold though! Um, he showed us the opponents hands too! I'll stick with completely cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I won't get to 7♥, but I will get to 7♦ via 5♠ 5NT (0) 6♣ (Q?) 7♦ (yes) How many diamonds do you think partner has? If it's 7, you don't care if partner hast he queen. If it's 6, you do care. Right? W Correct. He could have Txxxxx, in which case I might go low road. There's no reason to expect him to have 7, although he certainly could have 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 You would really rebid a Txxxxx suit opposite a 2♣ opener? I mean, I agree that the traditional "need KQXXXX to show a suit opposite 2♣" is ridiculous, but.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 you wouldnt rebid ♦ with 3163? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 you wouldnt rebid ♦ with 3163? No I would bid 3N or 3S or 4H depending on my black suit holdings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted April 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 So far it is little possible that someone will make 7♥.We got our names in "top of the board" secure. By far i want to know 2 things:First:What is the norm contract would it be? Second:If someone instead hold ♠xx ♥Qx ♦QJTxxxx ♣xxis his bidding the same?can his partner visualize 7♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted April 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 you wouldnt rebid ♦ with 3163? I will rebid ♦ if most strengh is in it. Afterall the bidding reaches the middle level so honor distribution is a big consideration for me. Partner would be very unlucky to find me with:♠xxx ♥x ♦xxxxxx ♣xxxwhere i should had bid second negative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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