2C/1NT/X?

[Little Kid]

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sqj74hq8dk4cak764]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(1♦)*-?

 

*1♦: 1+, precision[/hv]

 

What do you bid and is it obvious to you?

[Jlall]

Tempted to pass but I'd probably bid 1N against precision. Too much chance we get stolen from at this vul if I pass, and they are less likely to lead diamonds against me after a precision D.

 

2C is probably better than pass also but I like 1N a lot more.

[jjbrr]

I think 2♣ and 1NT are the only options and I don't feel strongly about either one of them. I'd likely bid 1NT. Pass would be my third choice, but like Justin said it might be tough to get back into the auction later, so I prefer bidding.

 

Double could work out if you catch a spade response, but with short ♥ it seems too much of a distortion.

[Phil]

1N over a Precision ♦, 2♣ over a 'normal' 1♦ opener.

[peachy]

I like 2C. Passing could work, but 1D-2C is always a difficult to handle auction for opponents, even if they are good. Also, it could be our hand and partner will not expect this much later from me if I now pass.

[MFA]

I have no reservations about bidding 1NT.

[Bbradley62]

1N over a Precision ♦, 2♣ over a 'normal' 1♦ opener.

Agreed

[jdonn]

1NT always. Get's my strength across and heads toward the most likely game. If doubled I can run to 2♣ but that doesn't work in reverse.

[Rossoneri]

I'm pretty curious, what are the arguments for bidding 1NT rather than 2♣? I seem to find so far:

 

- Gets the strength across

- Able to run to 2♣ if doubled

 

Anymore?

[jdonn]

Your hand is not suit oriented, your clubs aren't good and you only have 5 of them, you have a balanced 15 with the opponents suit stopped, you are rarely in a ridiculous contract unlike if partner has to pass 2♣ with something like 3541...

[Bbradley62]

I'm pretty curious, what are the arguments for bidding 1NT rather than 2♣? I seem to find so far:

 

- Gets the strength across

- Able to run to 2♣ if doubled

 

Anymore?

If you had been dealer, you would have bid 1NT, and nothing has happened to make you believe that isn't still a good idea. It accurately describes both your strength and shape.

[Bbradley62]

When I played Precision, about 100 years ago, 1♦ opening showed 4, with 2♦ as mini-Roman short in ♦. What are these bids these days?

[the hog]

Three possibilities, and pass is not one of them

1NT 1S 2C

I prefer them in this order, with 1S the clear favourite if the S were a tad better.

[awm]

When I played Precision, about 100 years ago, 1♦ opening showed 4, with 2♦ as mini-Roman short in ♦. What are these bids these days?

It's become common to want to play two different notrump ranges, since most precision players use 1♣ as 16+ and want to open balanced 12-counts. This means 1NT would be 12-15, which is probably too wide a range to be manageable. So most have put a notrump range into 1♦, such that either 1NT is 14-16 and 1♦ includes all balanced 11-13 hands, or vice versa if they prefer weak notrump (or maybe vulnerability dependent, or maybe slightly different ranges like 10-12 and 13-15).

 

This helps substantially with the "notrump ladder" with the main negative being that the 1♦ opening becomes a lot worse (including many hands with only 2-3♦).

 

There is also some set of precision players who prefer 2♣ to show at least six clubs (you get better results with it that way, and miss fewer 4-4 major fits). This is typically done by putting the 5♣-4M-31 patterns into 1♦ if they include 3♦ or into 2♦ if they are singleton diamond.

 

There's also some set of precision players who like to use 2♦ as a preempt (multi or weak two or whatever); these will often put the 2♦ hand into the 1♦ opening, which is now zero-plus diamonds (4405).

[jjbrr]

I'm pretty curious, what are the arguments for bidding 1NT rather than 2♣? I seem to find so far:

 

- Gets the strength across

- Able to run to 2♣ if doubled

 

Anymore?

Also the Precision 1♦ opener frequently has a pretty good ♣ suit when he opens 1♦.

[dburn]

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sqj74hq8dk4cak764]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(1♦)*-?

 

*1♦: 1+, precision[/hv]

 

What do you bid and is it obvious to you?

1NT normal. 2♣ possible but misdirected. 1♠ horrible (imagine double-2♠-all pass, when you know you will be in an awful contract). Pass for wimps, and if the red suits were ♥Kx and ♦Qx, pass still for wimps. Ask any Italian.