MFA Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Pay off to - AKQJ - KQJTxxxxx when partner has spades and diamonds? Bah maybe it's worth it. :)Very, very easy 5NT opening as we play it. :D Initiates denial cuebids, partner bids the lowest suit where he lacks A or K and must raise any suit I bid thereafter with A or K there. So as it is we have a luxury choice of openings (4NT or 5NT) with OP's hand. Is that 5NT-treatment not standard anymore either? :)What else is a 5NT opening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 On this hand even if you have no scheme to handle 2 aces, you can bid 4N-5H-7H. If partner had the DA+HA instead, you could bid 4N-5D-6H-7H (responder knowing his HA is enough to bid 7). If partner had both minor suit aces you would be in trouble bidding 4N-5D-6H though since you might also have AKQJ AKQJTxxx --- x without any agreements on how to bid 2 aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryallen Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 I don't even know what you are saying.One long suit accompanied by a secondary suit, circa opening points with two losers. Or are you going to try and fit a variety of stronger hands into this bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 I don't even know what you are saying.One long suit accompanied by a secondary suit, circa opening points with two losers. Or are you going to try and fit a variety of stronger hands into this bid? I still don't have any idea what you are saying or asking. Complete sentences please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 The big problem with opening 2C or 1 S is that opponents will be given the chance to find the sacrifice in a minor if they have it. Opening 3NT or 4NT does limit that chance as they have to commit the high level on their first bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 I wonder if it would increase the chance of getting doubled to open 1NT... maybe I should stop wondering about such thoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 I wonder if it would increase the chance of getting doubled to open 1NT... maybe I should stop wondering about such thoughts15-17... Any particular reason to believe that 1NT might not go all pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 yes I didn't think of that really:) i wish there was an option to delete messages i mean even though we have a quite unbalanced hand many opps have major centric defences and then it could go pass pass pass. well I guess it would be a funny story though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 I wonder if it would increase the chance of getting doubled to open 1NT... maybe I should stop wondering about such thoughts Why not, you would have the mother of all super-accepts if partner found a 2♦/2♥ call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 The old 7 level super accept of hearts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 I wonder if it would increase the chance of getting doubled to open 1NT... maybe I should stop wondering about such thoughts Considering the flak one gets for opening 1NT with a singleton, one would probably get the death penalty for opening 1NT with two voids! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted April 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I wonder if it would increase the chance of getting doubled to open 1NT... maybe I should stop wondering about such thoughts I had a beginner open KQx AKJxxxx Kxx void as 1N 1st seat. She just looked at her hand over and over, and afterwards wondered why she was going down in 3N when everyone else was making 4 hearts. She kept on saying "I had 16, I had to open 1N". Everyone was too amused to point out what went wrong, but she'd probably open this hand 1N also. It has 16, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shintaro Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 :D similar to waynes except using 4NT so we are 1 level higher meaning we can still stop in 5♥or♠ Or for that matter we can stop in 5♣ Assuming we held same shaped hands in ♣ and A.N.Other :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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