2 old threads combined

[hanp]

First I prefer NF, you can bid 3C with a GF. Second I think has to be forcing.

[jdonn]

First I prefer NF, you can bid 3C with a GF. Second I think has to be forcing.

I'm glad you came, you made the vote exactly symmetrical at this point with 5/12/12/28 which is important for my sanity.

[Jlall]

First I prefer NF, you can bid 3C with a GF. Second I think has to be forcing.

I'm glad you came, you made the vote exactly symmetrical at this point with 5/12/12/28 which is important for my sanity.

Voted!

[junyi_zhu]

1♦ - P - 1♠ - 2♣

P - P - 3♥

 

1♦ - P - 1♠ - 3♣

P - P - 3♥

 

I asked two good players this and they gave exactly opposite answers. I personally agreed with them each once and disagreed with each once. So, here we are, which (if any) 3♥ bids are forcing?

 

(I'm not sure to what extent it matters, but assume a 2/1 context, with mandatory support doubles on the 2♣ auction)

well, all the treatments have some merits. Still, I just play both as forcing cause it's simple, it makes bidding with strong hands easier and it allows me to overbid invitational hands systematically, which isn't really that bad in competitive sequences.

[jdonn]

First I prefer NF, you can bid 3C with a GF. Second I think has to be forcing.

I'm glad you came, you made the vote exactly symmetrical at this point with 5/12/12/28 which is important for my sanity.

Voted!

Not glad you came.

[Gerben42]

Only the first one for me. The 2nd one is not a jump so probably simply competitive. In short, agree with Wayne :)

[gnasher]

Only the first one for me. The 2nd one is not a jump so probably simply competitive. In short, agree with Wayne :)

Me too.

[y66]

First I prefer NF, you can bid 3C with a GF. Second I think has to be forcing.

I'm glad you came, you made the vote exactly symmetrical at this point with 5/12/12/28 which is important for my sanity.

Voted!

Symmetry restored. The BWS default agreement is

When a call could logically be interpreted as either forcing or nonforcing and there is no explicit agreement:

  In general, in a competitive situation, treat as nonforcing; in a noncompetitive situation, treat as forcing or nonforcing by which seems more sensible to the observer