An evening at Young Chelsea (1)

[Rossoneri]

[hv=d=s&v=e&s=st6hq87djt83ct753]133|100|Scoring: MP

Sitting south, the bidding goes:

P-P-1♦-X

P-[1HE]-2♣-2♥

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What do you bid now after 2♥?

[effervesce]

3♦. Partner (should) know you don't have much, given we didnt raise or bid the first round.

[Codo]

I am too balanced and two defensive to raise. We have a double fit and they have. I doubt that I can push them too high. If they do not have the values for game, partner will surely reopen the bidding.

[jdonn]

3♦, not sure how we could think about failing to support at this point. 2♣ shows more (at least in terms of offense) than a minimum for sure.

[655321]

3♦ seems obvious, but I would have much preferred to bid 3♦ last round - 3♦ takes away a lot more room than pass.

[karlson]

Agree with Josh, 3♦ seems obvious enough. I wouldn't have any beef with 2♦ on the last round either.

[Free]

3♦, takes an entire level away from opps and we're safe since we didn't support the previous round. I like the auction so far.

[gwnn]

I'd like to play transfers last round and then maybe 2♦ could be OK as only a very small psyche.

 

Anyway now we bid 3♦ to compete.

[Fluffy]

3♦ there might be a surprise there, but what I try to acomplish mostly is that LHO cannot reinvite.

[Jlall]

3D now obv, wouldn't have considered bidding the round before.

[pooltuna]

3D now obv, wouldn't have considered bidding the round before.

bidding now is not the problem, the problem is, are we going to save over 4♥

[ArtK78]

3♦ now. I would not have bid the round before, and 3♦ is the only call that I am making on the hand. If partner wants to sac, he can do so. I don't consider my 4-4 in the minors as an indication that I should be bidding again UNLESS partner finds another call indicating that we should sac.

[Jlall]

3D now obv, wouldn't have considered bidding the round before.

bidding now is not the problem, the problem is, are we going to save over 4♥

So far they've bid 1H and 2H, neither of which showed very much, not sure why we expect them to bid 4H now.

[pooltuna]

3D now obv, wouldn't have considered bidding the round before.

bidding now is not the problem, the problem is, are we going to save over 4♥

So far they've bid 1H and 2H, neither of which showed very much, not sure why we expect them to bid 4H now.

because some people, me included, play that 2♥ in this auction shows extras

[gnasher]

3D now obv, wouldn't have considered bidding the round before.

Perhaps not surprisingly, I wouldn't have considered passing on the round before.

[jdonn]

3D now obv, wouldn't have considered bidding the round before.

bidding now is not the problem, the problem is, are we going to save over 4♥

After we bid 3♦ that is partner's problem not ours.

[Phil]

Playing transfers over doubles, so 2♣ is a good raise, 2♦ is (barely) OK at these colors.

 

Clear 3♦ call now.

[Rossoneri]

This was the full hand:[hv=d=s&v=e&n=sk84hadaq974cak42&w=s9732hj965d52cj86&e=saqj5hkt432dk6cq9&s=st6hq87djt83ct753]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv]

 

Partner bid 3NT after I bid 3♦ as everyone suggested...Was not a very good board!

[gnasher]

Which nine tricks did he think he was going to make?

[jdonn]

Partner seems to have short term memory disorder and forgotten we weren't strong enough to respond to an opening bid.

 

Edit due to below post: Yeah what the heck was 2♣ lol. If only there were a way to show a great hand with the other suits here.

[Bbradley62]

Maybe partner wouldn't feel the need to overbid late in the auction if he had done something other than bid 2♣?

[Jlall]

Would the people who would bid 3D on the first round be able to stop in 4D or even 3D?

 

I don't mean this sarcastically, just curious if you'd be able to stop or if it is just a loss of the style to bid 3D when partner is that strong, but you gain it back on other more frequent layouts because I want to understand the style.

 

It seems like if you cater to hands this bad in general, you will lose on more "normal" stronger preemptive hands. Do you keep a really wide range, or make some other bid with a hand like a 6 count with 5 diamonds?

[karlson]

Would the people who would bid 3D on the first round be able to stop in 4D or even 3D?

 

I don't mean this sarcastically, just curious if you'd be able to stop or if it is just a loss of the style to bid 3D when partner is that strong, but you gain it back on other more frequent layouts because I want to understand the style.

 

It seems like if you cater to hands this bad in general, you will lose on more "normal" stronger preemptive hands. Do you keep a really wide range, or make some other bid with a hand like a 6 count with 5 diamonds?

Wide range. Lose when opener has the good hand.

 

That said, for me this is just not quite enough offense for 3♦ on the first round.

[655321]

Would the people who would bid 3D on the first round be able to stop in 4D or even 3D?

 

I don't mean this sarcastically, just curious if you'd be able to stop or if it is just a loss of the style to bid 3D when partner is that strong, but you gain it back on other more frequent layouts because I want to understand the style.

 

It seems like if you cater to hands this bad in general, you will lose on more "normal" stronger preemptive hands. Do you keep a really wide range, or make some other bid with a hand like a 6 count with 5 diamonds?

I like to define the 1m-3m preemptive raise as 'opener is expected to pass with 18-19 balanced' (and put the slightly stronger hands with some distribution through a jump in the other minor).

 

That might not keep me out of trouble on this hand though. Although bidding over 3♦ is arguably wrong even with this hand, I could certainly see myself just bidding 5♦ as opener.

[gnasher]

I'd bid only 2♦ on this, though we'd still get too high. It's a little unlucky that neither ♥Q nor ♦J is worth anything.

 

With only one way to raise to the three level, I think it's better to play the jump raise as about 5-8 balanced, or weaker but with a singleton. I'm not that worried about partner bidding 3NT, which is going to be a fairly rare given the takeout double, but I do want him to be able to save or compete to 4♦ if he wants to, knowing that there are some offensive values opposite.