jillybean Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 NV, MP, 2nd seat, what do you bid holding: A98753 QT3 K95 Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 NV, MP, 2nd seat, what do you bid holding:A98753 QT3 K95 Q IMO 1♠ = 10, 3♠ = 5, 4♠ = 4, 2♠ = 2, _P = 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 NV, MP, 2nd seat, what do you bid holding:A98753 QT3 K95 Q IMO 1♠ = 10, 3♠ = 5, 4♠ = 4, 2♠ = 2, _P = 1 I gracefully accept my score of "1". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 1S for sure. If you made it slightly weaker I would pass. I hate a style where it is a 2S opener, but many people are successful with such a style. Ace sixth is the worst holding for a preempt (it is terrible for offense, especially if doubled, and good for defense), you have a bunch of stuff outside which makes it likely to me that partner will misjudge the auction later, and your hand would play very well in hearts or diamonds if partner had some length there. To me it's just not a preemptive hand. The good spade spots do help the cause for preempting though. A lot of people hate passing with hands like this as much as I hate opening a weak 2 with it though, I guess it just comes down to taste, I feel like I don't get bad results from passing though. That said to me it is strong enough for an opening bid, and even if you consider it borderline being white at MP with spades is a big argument for opening if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohitz Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 1S for me. Hate anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I open 1♠. I understand the passers. I can't understand anything else. I wonder what Part 2 is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 1 ♠ for sure. Second choice 2 ♠ , too many flaws. No third choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I think 1♠ is right but both pass and 2♠ are reasonable choices. It has 28 ZAR points so it has to be an opener! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 1♠. And did someone really rank 3♠ and 4♠ above P and 2♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukmoi Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 NV, MP, 2nd seat, what do you bid holding:A98753 QT3 K95 Q IMO 1♠ = 10, 3♠ = 5, 4♠ = 4, 2♠ = 2, _P = 1 3♠ = 5, 4♠ = 4 ? IMO those bids deserve minus points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Honestly, sometimes I pass these, sometimes I bid 1♠. If my partner opened 4 spades and I held 16?? anything I'd probably be really ticked off, and I seldom get upset with partners... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 3♠ is nuts IMHO. If it's too strong for 2♠ then 1♠. The time to open 3♠ on a 6-card suit is a hand that has insufficient HCPs for 1♠ but too much offensive strength for 2♠. This hand has adequate offensive strength for 2♠, the question is if it has enough HCPs for 1♠ and if it has enough O-D for 2♠. I think neither so I am inclined to pass. At least on the forum. At the table I might have opened 2♠. 1♠ is not my style, playing 2/1. You have to count the sec queen to come to rule-of-20. OK the spots are nice but not great. Playing Precision (or Acol or WJ for that matter) I am OK with 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I would bid 1S, second choice pass. Did jdonn really rank 2S above pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I would bid 1S, second choice pass. Did jdonn really rank 2S above pass? jdonn hates pass with this type of hand iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Oh I misread his comment actually, he didn't say that he ranked 2S above pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 1♠. And did someone really rank 3♠ and 4♠ above P and 2♠? Somebody did :) He preferred 1♠ but rated the others as as poor bids that would rarely work. Why his sympathy for 3♠ and 4♠? On the face of it, aren't they uninsurable? He may have been persuaded by Terence Reese's argument about "Pre-empts that are known to be weak". Zia Mahmoud has also endorsed the advisability of an occasional bluff. In the light of criticism, however, he would probably revise his assessment :) Perhaps ...1♠ = 10, 2♠ = 5, 3♠ = 3, _P = 2, 4♠ = 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I'd pass, however, I tend to be pretty sound opener playing 2/1 Playing strong club, maybe even SAYC, I'd open 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 NV, MP, 2nd seat, what do you bid holding:A98753 QT3 K95 Q IMO 1♠ = 10, 3♠ = 5, 4♠ = 4, 2♠ = 2, _P = 1 I gracefully accept my score of "1". likewise I will take a "1" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 A98753 QT3 K95 Q Ok, 1♠ it was, you are playing Italian cues (I think that's the name) cueing A,K,stiff,void 1♠:2N3♣:3♥? Please answer for both MP and IMP scoring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 A98753 QT3 K95 Q Ok, 1♠ it was, you are playing Italian cues (I think that's the name) cueing A,K,stiff,void 1♠:2N3♣:3♥? Please answer for both MP and IMP scoring My hand just got a lot better... Partner has 4+ card trump support which helps assuage the trump quality options. I was able to show my club shortage and partner didn't immediately get turned off. With luck,, he doesn't have too much wasted opposite my stiff. I'd probably temporize with 3♠.I don't object to an immediate 4♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 As Richard said, I struck gold. But: partner denied something in diamonds. So he needs something like KQxx, Akxx,xxx,Ax to make 6 a real good contract.OTOH partner won't have much less, if he bids 3 ♥ over 3 ♣.So, do whatever you do, make another move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 we have to limit our hand in some way, so if you play those serious things do them. not playing them I'd bid 3♠ as a waiting, before bidding 4♠ next (wich would be the total negative if bid first). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Wow I'm like the only person who would open this 2♠ if I wasn't playing light-ish openers :) But having opened 1♠, this is a 4♦ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 An interesting observation about polls regarding opening calls: I believe that many people, even if not playing a standard or 2/1 system at the time, are influenced by a "forcing club" background when choosing to open very light. This is not necessarily a bad thing, just an observation. Justin: you prefer 1S with this hand (A9XXXX QTX K9X Q), but would pass if it were lightly weaker. Do you mean A9XXXX QTX K9X J? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Not really sure how [hv=n=skqxxhakxxdxxxcax&s=sa98753hqt3dk95cq]133|200|[/hv] is a good slam. I'm not sure how to stay out of slam when it's not there on these types of auctions. I guess my plan is bid 4♦, bid 4♠ over 4♥, and pass 4♠? Incidentally, this seems like the kind of hand where a lot of B/I would bid 4♠ right now, embarrassed that they'd already overbid their hands. V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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