OleBerg Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=sa976hak105d53cj64]133|100|Scoring: XIMP[/hv] You opne 1NT, 12-14. 1NT - (pass) - 4♠ - (X)Pass - (5♥) - Pass - (Pass) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Double. It probably won't make overtricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Double seems painfully obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Another doubler here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pict Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Pass. I'd give myself less than 50% to take this off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Double? Come on last-poster, that is one of the biggest LOLs I've ever seen. Watch them lose control on spade leads even if trumps could be picked up and even if a spade doesn't hold up and even if partner doesn't have any outside tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Double? Come on last-poster, that is one of the biggest LOLs I've ever seen. Watch them lose control on spade leads even if trumps could be picked up and even if a spade doesn't hold up and even if partner doesn't have any outside tricks. to be fair, he is only stating the odds that he would take it off, not the odds it would go off against competent defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pict Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 If you guys are lucky enough to play vulnerable opponents who convert 4♠ doubled almost certainly off to a 5-level minus score, well done for your choice of competition. As for the puerile comments about late posters and only on his defence, how pathetic can it get. Put down the glass for a moment and think. If this hand really is an easy penalty your opponents don't belong in this part of the forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 If you guys are lucky enough to play vulnerable opponents who convert 4♠ doubled almost certainly off to a 5-level minus score, well done for your choice of competition. As for the puerile comments about late posters and only on his defence, how pathetic can it get. Put down the glass for a moment and think. If this hand really is an easy penalty your opponents don't belong in this part of the forum I think that with trump splitting badly, an obvious tap suit, and good trumps including the T, that this contract will nearly always go off no matter what partner has. Opponents have bid at the 5 level, but there's nothing saying they got it right, and a lot in my hand saying they got it wrong. Who cares if the opponents "belong in this part of the forum"? Listen to the bidding and look at your hand, it's surely correct imp and matchpoint odds both to X this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 If this hand really is an easy penalty your opponents don't belong in this part of the forum One could also argue that if you pass then you don't belong in this part of the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Maybe the opponents are down 1 over your game and made a perfect decision but it's still right to double them. Maybe they would be making or down 1 but are down 2 or more because they are not psychic and didn't know AKTx of hearts would be in one hand. Your comment is ridiculous, great players make mistakes and get too high all the time. If RHO doubled on a good 1345 hand and his partner bid 5♥ on a 1651 do they not belong in this part of the forums? I mean what are you saying, you check your hand for AKQ of hearts and if they aren't there then pass without looking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Another consideration is that the worst that can happen if double goes wrong is a 5-IMP loss - even if they are making, it's inconceivable that they'll know enough to redouble. The potential gains, on the other hand, are much larger: if ♠A wins we might well get 500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburn Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 If you guys are lucky enough to play vulnerable opponents who convert 4♠ doubled almost certainly off to a 5-level minus score, well done for your choice of competition. As for the puerile comments about late posters and only on his defence, how pathetic can it get. Put down the glass for a moment and think. If this hand really is an easy penalty your opponents don't belong in this part of the forum I think that with trump splitting badly, an obvious tap suit, and good trumps including the T, that this contract will nearly always go off no matter what partner has. Opponents have bid at the 5 level, but there's nothing saying they got it right, and a lot in my hand saying they got it wrong. Who cares if the opponents "belong in this part of the forum"? Listen to the bidding and look at your hand, it's surely correct imp and matchpoint odds both to X this.Well, those four spades to the ace and the complete lack of anything in the minor suits do not really amount to "a lot in your hand saying they got it wrong". Unsurprisingly (at least, to my way of thinking) the opponents had nine hearts, one of them had no spades, and you could not beat 5♥ doubled (partner's king of diamonds proved not to be a side-suit trick). Mind you, declarer had to play it well, but since declarer was Lars Blakset, this was to be expected. Perhaps it was also to be expected that he and his partner would not voluntarily contract for eleven tricks, vulnerable against not, if they expected to go down several. Still, I am suitably chastened. When OleBerg and I were commentating on the deal this afternoon, I opined that North should not double before I had actually seen that the contract was going to make - I thought it would go one down, but felt that the odds did not favour doubling a freely-bid game at IMPs unless you thought it more likely to go two down than to make. Of course, you might double to protect your position if you thought that 4♠ was going to make, but the auction had suggested what was true: that 4♠ had a bunch of minor-suit losers, so that ought not to have been a concern (although it would have made on a heart lead). If, though, everyone here would double, I guess I was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Of course, we would double. We all missed the most important clue which would lead to not doubling: the fact that it was posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 I'd like to see the entire hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburn Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 I'd like to see the entire hand[hv=d=n&v=e&n=saxxxhak10xdxxcjxx&w=shq9xxxdaj98ck10xx&e=s10xxhj8xxdq10xcaqx&s=skqjxxxhdkxxxcxxx]399|300|Scoring: XIMP[/hv] Don't remember the spots and can't find the record, but this was the hand in its essentials. Maybe doubling this East is a long-term winner after all - West didn't have to be quite as suitable as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 If this hand really is an easy penalty your opponents don't belong in this part of the forum One could also argue that if you pass then you don't belong in this part of the forum. Perhaps Lars Blakset doesn't belong in this part of the forum either.I would have doubled as well, but agree that many comments were infantile. I guess double is not so obvious after reading David's comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Did he really pull with this hand? wtf? That's really bad, imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pict Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Unlike some people on this forum, I have respect for other views. If you think AKTx is enough of a surprise to a vulnerable 5-level bidder, then certainly double. I don't believe vulnerable opponents in this position are normally gambling completely.They think they are making 5♥. Maybe it's this hand. Maybe the heart position is more extreme and you get caught in a trump coup. Anyway it is clear that views on this forum are not taken at their value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Unlike some people on this forum, I have respect for other views. If you think AKTx is enough of a surprise to a vulnerable 5-level bidder, then certainly double. I don't believe vulnerable opponents in this position are normally gambling completely.They think they are making 5♥. Maybe it's this hand. Maybe the heart position is more extreme and you get caught in a trump coup. Anyway it is clear that views on this forum are not taken at their value. Look at the hand he bid 5♥ with. Do you think he felt he was completely making 5♥? He knew his partner had 5 card support? Our king couldn't have been in clubs instead of diamonds? This just supports doubling, look how down east would be if west had 4 card support (or 3???) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pict Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 As it happens I agree with you. The actual hand is surprising (to me). If this is a typical choice my analysis is out of date. I would have expected more with the doubler and more hearts with the pulling hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 seriously? -850 vs -300 is not possible? So in my mind, pass is an option, as well as 5♠. Is this a FP auction? I wouldn't think so. Plus no consideration as to who the opps are. If Meckwell were playing this would X still be so clear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Partner heard us open 1NT. He jumped to 4S, then showed no double - only DK side. What a surprise I have for opponents - . . . I can mastermind this double. What does partner need to offer a cooperative X? Side A? Side AK? Side K+K? He don't got them. Rosey eyed to see down one is even 50%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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