no blame

[jillybean]

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sa874h8d9843ca632]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(1♥) 4♦ (4♥) 5♦

(P) P (5♥) ?[/hv]

 

This was the last board at the club tonight, fun hand. Do you agree with the bidding so far, and what next?

[quiddity]

I'd pass. If partner has a black singleton we're beating 5H. Otherwise we'll get at most 1 heart ruff and 6D-X might go for 500. I won't play partner for 8 diamond tricks for a w/r preempt.

[jukmoi]

Partner will hold something like ♠ x ♥ xx ♦ KQxxxxxx ♣ xx. We can probably beat 5♥ by giving a black suit ruff to partner. I believe that imp odds favour bidding though, since 6♦ might even make (partner holds ♠ x ♥ xxx ♦ AQxxxxxx ♣ x, 5♥ might make and 6♦ is unlikely to be more than two down.

[mohitz]

Agree with 5D and now pass. I like my chances of defeating 5♥. Even if it makes, bidding 6D is likely to lead to a poor score at this vulnerability.

 

It would be a more interesting problem at favorable.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

 

Mission accopmplished, it is not clear, that 5H will go down,

but you will have a reasonable chance, be happy.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[quiddity]

I believe that imp odds favour bidding though, since 6♦ might even make (partner holds ♠ x ♥ xxx ♦ AQxxxxxx ♣ x, 5♥ might make and 6♦ is unlikely to be more than two down.

I didn't notice that the scoring was imps - the mention of the club made me think it was matchpoints. How should I go about estimating imp odds at the table for a problem like this? It looks like bidding can gain a lot when partner has 3 hearts and will tend to lose a smaller amount when partner has 1-2 hearts.

 

I guess the other call to consider is double, which has a good chance of gaining 300 whenever partner holds either black singleton.

[gwnn]

The way to win imps on this hand is to try to beat 5H, not bid all the way to the 6 level. We will probably lose 1 heart 1 black card for -200 when they'd have been down 1 and when he doesnt have a singleton in clubs or spades thus allowing them to make you go for -500 instead of -450 so you

win nothing. What jukmoi says that 6D might make is true (but its weird that in his universe theres a nonzero chance of 5H making!!! and where does he find opps who bid to thr 5level with 4 trumps?) but that's a very rare hand especially if we have 4 diamonds.

 

Note that I disregarded the chance of losing a trump trick, in that case we can go for -500 or -800 instead of +50/+100/-450.

[mich-b]

I think I would double , not so much because I expect down 2 (though surely possible), more because that would (by implying outside defense) encourage pd to lead his black singleton, rather than try to cash a ♦ trick.

[jukmoi]

Agree with 5D and now pass. I like my chances of defeating 5♥. Even if it makes, bidding 6D is likely to lead to a poor score at this vulnerability.

 

It would be a more interesting problem at favorable.

Yes. I misread the vulnerability.

[jillybean]

[hv=d=w&v=n&n=s6h92dakqjt752ck7&w=sqj53hakqt73dcq95&e=skt92hj654d6cjt84&s=sa874h8d9843ca632]399|300|Scoring: IMP

(1♥) 4♦ (4♥) 5♦

(P) P (5♥) AP

[/hv]

 

We had the perfect fit for 6♦, should partner have X and bid 5♦/4M ?

 

I should add, you are sitting in a good place and this is the last board of an IMP game.

[helene_t]

No, partner should not do more. They described their hand with the 4♦ bid and left the decision to you. For all they know you have zero defense and opps are cold for 7♥.

 

Maybe North was too strong for 4♦. Obviously 4♦ didn't work this time.

[mcphee]

I would dble 5H and expect to beat it.

 

After looking at the hand where in the world did 4D come from? Why are we passing the 3N level with a decent hand like this? This hand is nothing close to a pre-emptive bid to me and is just shooting craps.

[pooltuna]

Partner will hold something like ♠ x ♥ xx ♦ KQxxxxxx ♣ xx. We can probably beat 5♥ by giving a black suit ruff to partner. I believe that imp odds favour bidding though, since 6♦ might even make (partner holds ♠ x ♥ xxx ♦ AQxxxxxx ♣ x, 5♥ might make and 6♦ is unlikely to be more than two down.

you are vulnerable vs nonvulnerable I don't think your holding makes sense under those circumstances as you are also playing IMPS not MP

[pooltuna]

[hv=d=w&v=n&n=s6h92dakqjt752ck7&w=sqj53hakqt73dcq95&e=skt92hj654d6cjt84&s=sa874h8d9843ca632]399|300|Scoring: IMP

(1♥) 4♦ (4♥) 5♦

(P) P (5♥) AP

[/hv]

 

We had the perfect fit for 6♦, should partner have X and bid 5♦/4M ?

 

I should add, you are sitting in a good place and this is the last board of an IMP game.

personally given the colors and the game type I think pass shows second round control of ♥ that doesn't mean partner will move but they should know that you expected to make 5♦ and expect them to hit this.

[jukmoi]

Yes. I misread the vulnerablity. Agree that vul vs not 4♦ is not sensible on ♠x ♥ xx ♦ KQxxxxxx ♣ xx.

[P_Marlowe]

Dealer: West Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP

♠ 6 ♥ 92 ♦ AKQJT752 ♣ K7 ♠ QJ53 ♥ AKQT73 ♦ [space] ♣ Q95 ♠ KT92 ♥ J654 ♦ 6 ♣ JT84 ♠ A874 ♥ 8 ♦ 9843 ♣ A632

(1♥) 4♦ (4♥) 5♦ (P) P (5♥) AP

 

We had the perfect fit for 6♦, should partner have X and bid 5♦/4M ?

 

I should add, you are sitting in a good place and this is the last board of an IMP game.

Well - the hand is too strong for a 4D bid.

 

Withouth the king of clubs you have 8 tricks, which would be perfect

for a red vs. green preempt, with the king the hand is basically one

trick too strong.

So p should have either bid 2D or 5D, 5D is not the worst idea, he

should ask himself, how he would feel, if 4H comes back, if he feels

he has to bid 5D, if he has the feeling than he should do it at once.

 

If he makes the 5D preempt, than you could argue, that raising to

6D makes sense, since, you would expect making 5D, afterall you

have 3 tricks for p (2Aces, a shortage), so bidding 6 would not be the

worst idea, and you take insurance against making 5H.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[gwnn]

I would have bid 2♦ from N. 4♦ is completely disgusting. It can work out but it will cost a lot, like this missed slam for instance. 5♦ (from North) is just mildly disgusting and I would do it sometimes.

[mich-b]

Wouldnt anyone consider 3♥ (solid minor, asking for a ♥stop) with the North hand?

[gwnn]

it's not bad but I have a stiff spade so generally I wouldn't be happy to bid it when I am this strong and 5 or 6D could make whilst 3NT goes down.

[jjbrr]

3♥ seems obv to me

[MinorKid]

4♦ is completely ok. It is unlucky that the club "fits".

But i will surely bid 2♦

[gwnn]

nobody plays 4NT as specific aces. or do you?

[ArtK78]

I don't like the preempt with a solid suit, even at unfavorable vul.

 

North should have KQJTxxxxx for his 4♦ bid, not AKQJxxxx.

 

There is no way South can or should ever get this right.

[MinorKid]

nobody plays 4NT as specific aces. or do you?

4NT may take too high...

So i agreed 4♦. But 2♦ IMO is better.

[MinorKid]

I don't like the preempt with a solid suit, even at unfavorable vul.

 

North should have KQJTxxxxx for his 4♦ bid, not AKQJxxxx.

 

There is no way South can or should ever get this right.

Just 2♦ at least it won't cause disaster