Phil Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 All vul, dealer Q9x AJ7xxx Qx Jx 2H - 2N? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Excellent thread title.I'd call this bad trumps, good hand but I think it's close to bad hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 If not this, then how much stronger is a good hand with a bad suit? :unsure: I don't understand how one could sell a 10-count as a bad hand with a bad suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 If not this, then how much stronger is a good hand with a bad suit? :unsure: I don't understand how one could sell a 10-count as a bad hand with a bad suit.Bad hand = 8 loser Good hand = 7 loser Bad suit = 1 of top 3 honorsGood suit = 2 of top 3 honors Q9x AJ7xxx Qx Jx = 8 loser hand KQx AJ7xxx xx xx = 7 loser ( Good hand ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Another proof that loser count is a waste of time?I also don't understand how this is not a maximum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohitz Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 obv 3H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 3♥. No reason to make a problem out of this. Our Q, Q, J will often mesh well with partner's values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 3♥. No reason to make a problem out of this. Our Q, Q, J will often mesh well with partner's values. I bid 3H and didn't think too much of it but I was maligned by one pair of teammates for doing so. Agree this 'junk' might be useful to partner in 3N. This bad suit / good hand classification could be a lot better: xx AJxxxx KQx xx f/i. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Are there really people on BBO fora who would not open 1H with 6-3-2-2 hand which includes a KQX and AJXXXX? Those example hands are not possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Are there really people on BBO fora who would not open 1H with 6-3-2-2 hand which includes a KQX and AJXXXX? Those example hands are not possible. I cannot speak to if there are "people," but I am sure there is "person." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Are there really people on BBO fora who would not open 1H with 6-3-2-2 hand which includes a KQX and AJXXXX? Those example hands are not possible. I cannot speak to if there are "people," but I am sure there is "person." Hey, that's cool. I was actually more making an observation that there are a whole bunch on this site who have advocated strongly a 1-bid with much weaker hands. Perhaps I exaggerated. edit: the people who voted to pass the given OP hand originally or said they would have opened a 1-bid on this junk should probably be considered to be extra votes for 3H on the OP question about rebid after 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 3♥. No reason to make a problem out of this. Our Q, Q, J will often mesh well with partner's values. My thoughts exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 3♥ is one of the easiest bids on the forums in recent times. You have 10 points and have no idea where partner's values are. Why can't he have 17 and just be looking for enough values for game? This is a real no-brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Are there really people on BBO fora who would not open 1H with 6-3-2-2 hand which includes a KQX and AJXXXX? Those example hands are not possible. Lots of us. I think 1H can be dangerous in a 2/1 setting. At least I know Hrothgar and Mike777 agree :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Us mistaken souls who like a different suit quality for first seat vul, and hate passing the hand, might open a one-bid with KQX AJXXXX XX XX. I am an old guy who likes the opening bids to be halfway decent, but I have seen a lot worse with 13 HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 I use loser count in evaluating hand strength more than almost anyone on this Forum. And I think this is a 3♥ bid. Partner is supposed to have a good hand for his 2NT bid. My hand will not be a disappointment to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 All vul, dealer Q9x AJ7xxx Qx Jx IMO 1♥ = 10, 2♥ = 6, _P = 3, 3♥ = 1.Vulnerable, with opening values but a flimsy suit, 1♥ seems a better option than a pre-empt2♥ - 2N - ?? Now 3♥ = 10, 3♣ = 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 ;) at calling this hand opening values with Qx and Jx in minors and 10 HCP. KNR says 9.45. I wouldn't dream to open 1 here unless playing forcing club with opening 1's being 10-15 and then only since I have a 6 carder. Just my opinion that this is far from an opening 1 bid in a S/A system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 It is my simplistic and overly optimistic approach to open most 10 counts with a 6 card suit on the 1 level. It is not just a question of getting possibly too high etc, it's also the question of what else one can do (passing is risky, we may not be sufficiently hearts-oriented for a weak 2). I do agree that this does not look like a good weak 2 but that's just because it does not look like a weak 2 at all. But if I opened 2H with this I have to bid 3H now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Partner asking! Now 'junk' likely useful at least mostly. Bad(<2 tops), Good hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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