Ant590 Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=st83hkq862dakcajt]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] If you feel you need ">>" or "=" please say! Edit: partner deals and passes. Next hand opens 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 2H, dbl, 1NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 2H, dbl, 1NT Its more like: 2♥..Dbl.............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................1N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 2♥ for me. I guess if you double partner might bid 1NT and you get to 3NT from the right side, whereas if you overcall 1NT you can likely play there when it is right, but might have wrongsided 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 2H. The H suit is not ideal for this, but I do have a bit of extra strength. Lol at 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 I definitely want the >> here, between 2H and anything-else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 2H>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dbl>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1NT Some problems might be 2H>Dbl>>1NT but this one is a 2H and a lot of ">" characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 meowwww Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 2 ♥ = 2 Heart nothing else fits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted March 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 At the table I bid 2♥, which is where I played. Dummy tabled a 1=1=6=5 and by two careful misdefenses I brought it home (diamonds were 4-1). The consensus was that double is better, so I can hold my head high again. Interesting that the poll ranks 2H > 1NT > dbl clear second where no poster advocates that. I play with one partner that extrapolates the "open 1NT with any 5M332" to overcall with one too--- was it the 5 card hearts or the lack of spade stop (or just the presence of both) that makes 1NT bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Is your T Spades a stopper? There is your answer. Fwiw, double is a silly call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Double caters for the 1165 hands, you are right. 1 NT caters for the hands where partner has a spade stop and no way to bid it.2 ♥ caters for all other hands. Maybe a little too polemic, but.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 2H. Don't really want to pick between double and 1NT, both are strange imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 2♥ >> Dbl. 1NT is a psyche. Something about promising a stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Kind of funny. Thursday night, I was dealt a 10-count with 3523 pattern. The spade suit, coincidentally, was 10xx. Feeling frisky and eccentric for some reason, I decided to open 1♣. LHO preempted 3♠, and my partner opted a slow 3NT, which of course ended the auction. Partner's spade "stopper" was the doubleton QJ -- she decided to wing it. Her three-card heart support, and the stiff spade Ace on lead to my right, was just enough to enable nine tricks before they could get to 5. Plus, at 4♥, the opponents get to 4 before we get to 10. This problem must have been in my subconscious mind, and I must have been (unjustly) rewarded by an equally eccentric partner (the misses -- you can understand WHY she's eccentric, with ME as her mentor). LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Interesting that the poll ranks 2H > 1NT > dbl clear second where no poster advocates that. I was among those voting that option, so I will chime in. 1NT has one strike against it - the lack of a spade stopper. Otherwise I have notrump distribution and values all over. It's a way to get my whole hand off my chest in 1 bid (accepting that partner will expect a little more in spades and a little less in hearts.) Double followed by 2H may have 2 strikes against it - I'd like to be about half a trick stronger for that action, AND I'd like my hearts to be better than KQxxx to bid them that strongly. Double followed by, well, any other plan (for instance a suggestion you might play in 2D) doesn't make any sense at all - a 4-2 trump fit with xxx in the opps suit isn't fun. It wasn't really clear to me what course the doublers intended to follow. In any event, its 2H way out in front, and the other two similarly badly flawed; I don't have any strong feelings what should be 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 1NT has one strike against it Yeah, partner bidding 3NT with 2 small spades and 3 hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 There are times when it's right to bid NT without a stop in their suit, or with something like Qx in their suit, but when it's the suit RHO has opened and LHO is going to lead them, it's pretty silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 2 ♥ = 2 Heart nothing else fits... Dbl. Nothing else fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 huh Nuno? Why doesn't 1NT fit for you? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 2H now X over any up to 4S next. That's way better than X then 4H (5H?,lose H5-3) over 3S,4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 huh Nuno? Why doesn't 1NT fit for you? :) lol.. touché. Didn't bid that because I have a feeling it wouldn't be good. Dbl + 2♥ has it all covered: - pull a min bid to 2♥ showing length and strength ('tisNF even!!)- pull other bids to hearts and reach the right game no need to bid 1NT then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Are there really choices other than 2♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegill Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 I voted for 2♥ > Dbl > 1NT, but really anything other that 2♥ seems pretty silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Are there really choices other than 2♥? Depends on your doubling structure if you can double and later bid say 2♥ to show this type of hand it possibly reduces the range for 2♥ overcalls. If you now have to bid 2♥ with this hand and with [hv=s=st83hkq862d32cajt]133|100|[/hv] that puts a lot of pressure on partner to support and he has no clue when he is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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