Phil Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I guess Gnome doesn't want to post this hand from his Vanderbilt match so I will: QJxxx, Axx, void, AJTxx 1♠ - pass - 2♣ - 2♦? 2/1 GF setting. Your call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Did 2♣ show clubs, or might it be a 3442 shape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 4♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I guess Gnome doesn't want to post this hand from his Vanderbilt match so I will: 2/1 GF setting. QJxxx, Axx, void, AJTxx1♠ - pass - 2♣ - 2♦? IMO 4♦ = 10, 3♣ = 9.Agree with Gordon. 4♦ describes the main features of the hand in one bid, slightly exaggerating the high card strength but expressing the distributional power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Gwnn could find old threads on this. 3♦ shows a splinter for clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Gwnn could find old threads on this. 3♦ shows a splinter for clubs.??4♦-jump over opp's 2♦ is standard for a splinter for Cl, but 3♦ just shows a strong hand and may still be looking for the proper strain. Although, I'd be interested in looking at that old thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I don't remember any old threads about this particular auction, but I agree with jdonn and disagree with oneferbrid because with any hand with no clear direction you may just pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Gwnn could find old threads on this. 3♦ shows a splinter for clubs.??4♦-jump over opp's 2♦ is standard for a splinter for Cl, but 3♦ just shows a strong hand and may still be looking for the proper strain. Although, I'd be interested in looking at that old thread. what do you think pass, double, 2♥, 2♠, 2NT, 3♣ show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Gwnn could find old threads on this. 3♦ shows a splinter for clubs.??4♦-jump over opp's 2♦ is standard for a splinter for Cl, but 3♦ just shows a strong hand and may still be looking for the proper strain. Although, I'd be interested in looking at that old thread. what do you think pass, double, 2♥, 2♠, 2NT, 3♣ show?2C was 2/1 GF, so its obvious what they show....Edit: 3D actually is a stop-ask ( 1st priority ) and not necessarily very strong for this 2/1 GF auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 ok I'll rephrase my question: what is the tpical hand for 3♦ for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Gwnn could find old threads on this. 3♦ shows a splinter for clubs. Great idea - wish I had thought of it first. Actually I thought of it after Gnome gave me the hand... Ideal, if that's the agreement :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I think I will have to eat crow on this one. I looked in my "Splinter" file and found this reference to BBO around Sept 23, 2009.(Unfortunately, I didn't record the name of the poster or title or forum of the thread ) : Playing 2/1 GF: 1S - ( P ) - 2C! - ( 2H )3H! = ?? I was thinking 3H! showed a stop-ask, but most here said it was a splinter for Cl. Another expert ( on a different board ) said by agreement it could mean either: a) splinter for Cl ....OR b ) a self-splinter for Sp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 now this made the search a whole lot easier :lol: http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=34408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 If 3♦ is a splinter, then isn't 4♦ a void splinter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I guess Gnome doesn't want to post this hand from his Vanderbilt match Just hadn't got around to it. Will post the other one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 PASS shows a stopper ask / directionless hand with extra values. Oh the joys of being in a force. Why do people insist on things so strongly when they are wrong without thinking them through? 4♦ shows whatever it would have shown if RHO had passed. Edit: LOL even better, you insisted the same thing in the last thread then admitted you were wrong there too! Nice memory!Edit2: Ok sorry I wouldn't have been quite so harsh if I noticed you had already eaten crow.Edit3: It's the agreement now Phil! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 4♦ shows whatever it would have shown if RHO had passed. I think most would play 4♦ as a splinter if RHO passed. Whether it's a void splinter or could possibly have a singleton is really up to discussion. Regardless, if 3♦ is a splinter here, then 4♦ must be a void. I personally think it should show the void anyway. With a 5=3=1=4 or a 5=2=1=5, wouldn't we just raise clubs and try to get to 3NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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