two doubles

[matmat]

1♦- (x) - P - (1♥)

x - (P) - 2♦ - (P)

P - (2♥) - P - (P)

x

 

what is the nature of the second double by dealer?

 

 

P - (P) - 1♣ - (1♠)

X - (2♠) - X?

 

how about that one?

 

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edit, the two hands: (hidden)

 

 

 

Axxx x AKJx AKxx

x Axx AQJx QT8xx

 

 

[karlson]

1. Basically doesn't exist, but suppose I'd play partner for a good 4144 if it happens

 

2. Takeout, usually exactly 3 hearts, seems normal and common.

[Codo]

1. Maximum pass

 

2. no idea. My metaagreement- responsive or take out- is truely senseless here. Maybe good hand without 4 hearts.

[Fluffy]

1. Sugesting to play, at first I though balanced 20, but that has no sense, so it must be an extremelly powerful 2-3 suiter around 24 HCP

 

2. Take out, stronger than bidding a suit

[Codo]

You opened 1 ♦ and passed 2♦ with a strong 2-3 suiter and 24 HCPS?

What that is conversative....

[peachy]

1. Competitive. Not much extra strength, considering that the player passed 2D.

2. Competitive without 4-card hearts, but with enough values (ie. full opening hand, for starters, not a light third seater) to survive the 3-level without much risk even opposite a minimum neg double.

 

As to terminology, that varies in different parts of the world, but neither of these doubles is a Penalty or a Takeout, more like "asking partner's opinion" and in the gliding scale between Penalty and Takeout, these are about half-way.

[hanp]

I think the second hand should be a bit stronger than that. The first hand bid well.

[karlson]

I think both doubles were good.