dicklont Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sqjxxhkjxdqcaxxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♣ - (3♦) - 3♠ - (pass)?[/hv] 3♦ was weak.Partners 3♠ is a welcome call, how do you continue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 4D, my definition of this is "better than 12-14 balanced with spade support", which this fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 hand is good but could be so much better, I'm stuck with just 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Just 4♠. But I admit I had to think about it, a hand with this shape should generally upgrade like mad here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 4S. I like 4D as "two or more places to play" but if 4D is the standard good raise it needs to be saved for something better than a 7 (6 1/2?) loser hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 4S. The hand is not that good. It is close though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I find the hand more than good for a 4♦ cue... Has good 4 card support, singleton in their suit, AK on the side... way too different from the normal 12-14 min with 3 spades and some diamond wastage for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Facing a hand that is obviously game going I think we have to bid 4D even though it is a bit less than we would like. Lets say partner holds a good 14, which include the AK S, A H and KC, if we raise to 4S is he going to take another bid looking at 2 small D when a lot of the time the 4S raise may even be based on 3 small, or perhaps only 2. Assuming we bid 4D if partner bids 4H we can slow down with 4S. Even when partner has less than all the nice cards we would like to see 4D is not the so terrible. My hand contains 3 nice controls along with a 4th trump, I am willing to risk this aggressive push here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I would settle for 4♠ but no real quarrel with those who like to show xtras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I would just bid 4♠. Need more for 4♦ or that bid would make it too hard for partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 The ♦Q is now zero. So, this is a near perfect 11 ... but still 11. Just 4♠ for me, I think if partner has enough for slam he will make a move, and I will gladly cooperate. I don't think he needs all that much for his 3♠ call NV over a weak bid, perhaps only ♠AKxxxx and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted March 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sakxxxhaqxdxxxckx&s=sqjxxhkjxdqcaxxxx]133|200|Scoring: IMP1♣ - (3♦) - 3♠ - (pass)4♠ - all pass [/hv] My partner bid 4♠ considering his hand a normal minimum opening.Looking at three small diamonds I thought even the five level could be too high, losing three tricks from the lead.Should I have tried something anyway or just say "well done" to the preempter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sakxxxhaqxdxxxckx&s=sqjxxhkjxdqcaxxxx]133|200|Scoring: IMP1♣ - (3♦) - 3♠ - (pass)4♠ - all pass [/hv] My partner bid 4♠ considering his hand a normal minimum opening.Looking at three small diamonds I thought even the five level could be too high, losing three tricks from the lead.Should I have tried something anyway or just say "well done" to the preempter? Your partner should have bid 4D :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 I'm with Roger 100% on this. Then again, my partners don't generally hang me just for making some positive noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sakxxxhaqxdxxxckx&s=sqjxxhkjxdqcaxxxx]133|200|Scoring: IMP1♣ - (3♦) - 3♠ - (pass)4♠ - all pass [/hv] My partner bid 4♠ considering his hand a normal minimum opening.Looking at three small diamonds I thought even the five level could be too high, losing three tricks from the lead.Should I have tried something anyway or just say "well done" to the preempter? For you to have three immediate diamond losers, how would the suit have to be distributed around the table? I don't disagree with your main point, though, If partner has a minimum with a wasted diamond card, the five level may well be too high. For example, Jxx KJxx Kx Axxx Now that I've constructed that example and compared it to opener's actual hand, I think it's clear for him to bid 4♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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