What shall I bid?

[twcho]

2nd seat playing IMP, red vs white, holding KQJxxx Kx K8 Q109, you open 1♠ after RHO passes. LHO overcalls 3♦ and two passes follow. What will you do? Will your action differs if the vulnerability is different?

 

Suppose you decide to double. Partner bids 3♥. What will you bid now?

[jdonn]

Passsssssssssssssss the first time. I can't possibly put enough s's in that pass.

[gwnn]

yep don't double :o

 

pass 100

3♠ 10

x 0

 

now I have no idea.

[Pict]

I'd double 3♦ and bid 3♠ over 3♥. Looks like it will be a lonely and unprofitable choice.

[aguahombre]

But, of course, the lawyers won't let me get away with passing if partner took more than his ten seconds.

[pooltuna]

I'd double 3♦ and bid 3♠ over 3♥. Looks like it will be a lonely and unprofitable choice.

WHAT!? You are willing to protect your partner???? I don't think that is allowed on this forum :)

[jdonn]

But, of course, the lawyers won't let me get away with passing if partner took more than his ten seconds.

I don't understand this comment at all.

[Pict]

But, of course, the lawyers won't let me get away with passing if partner took more than his ten seconds.

I don't understand this comment at all.

 

I hope there are some things in the world worse than a bad bridge bid.

 

It used to be quite common (even among normalish people) to cater for partner having a penalty double. In part I posted to provoke a bit of reasoning on why that idea has died.

[Phil]

yep don't double :)

 

pass 100

3♠ 10

x 0

 

now I have no idea.

Pass is 60; everything else is zero.

 

You don't get 100 for making obvious calls :)

[aguahombre]

Don't pay the ransom. Phil escaped and is back.

[MFA]

Pass.

A lot of players reopen too lightly in this situation.

Excluding the often too conservative Americans of course.

[Fluffy]

I reopen too often I guess, so just for the record, if we move ♦K to clubs making us doubleton low diamonds, is now double much more tempting?

[655321]

Pass.

 

WHAT!? You are willing to protect your partner???? I don't think that is allowed on this forum  :)

 

Do you think that the passers might be using judgment, instead of blindly parroting cliches?

 

I am sure many would indeed 'protect their partner' with KQJxxx KQx x Q109.

 

But possibly only Tuna Fish would protect his partner with KQJxxx x KQJ Qx - after all, if partner has a trap pass and we have KQJ of trumps, we need to double to protect partner...

[Pict]

More than a bit strange that people applying judgement, seem to feel so astonishingly emotional about it.

[Cyberyeti]

Pass is horrible, but I'm torn between X and 3♠.

 

If you pass or bid 3♠, partner will have x, AQx, Q10xxx, Jxx.

 

If you double, partner will have 10x, Qxx, Qxx, AKxxx and you'll play the wrong game.

[jdonn]

More than a bit strange that people applying judgement, seem to feel so astonishingly emotional about it.

I don't see anyone being emotional, just speaking strongly. But that's because the judgment in this case is so obvious.

[Codo]

Easy 3 ♠ I do not respect opponents preempts when they are fav and I have a close to selfsufficent 6 card suit.

[mich-b]

If you double, partner will have 10x, Qxx, Qxx, AKxxx and you'll play the wrong game.

I think passing (as responder) with this hand is wrong.

I would prefer 3NT (slight overbid) , or Double (slight missbid) to Passing.

[jukmoi]

It used to be quite common (even among normalish people) to cater for partner having a penalty double. In part I posted to provoke a bit of reasoning on why that idea has died.

The idea has not died. It just that with us holding ♦Kx it is not very likely that partner holds a penalty pass.

[the hog]

Pass. Bidding 3S is very poor.

[jdonn]

Why can't people see they are now on the 3! level opposite a silent! partner with a minimum! opening bid that has gotten worse! with no! assurance that we have a fit or that even if we do our action will find it? I am dying a slow death here. Anything but pass shows some combination of lack of experience, lack of understanding of how scoring in bridge works, or stubborn reliance on cliches and bad advice.

[the hog]

Why can't people see they are now on the 3! level opposite a silent! partner with a minimum! opening bid that has gotten worse! with no! assurance that we have a fit or that even if we do our action will find it? I am dying a slow death here. Anything but pass shows some combination of lack of experience, lack of understanding of how scoring in bridge works, or stubborn reliance on cliches and bad advice.

I often disagree with you, but I totally agree with this comment. Bidding 3S is really a beginner's mistake.

[Antoine Fourrière]

I would pass now, but I think I might have opened a (strong) notrump, and bid spades up to the three-level if given the opportunity. I wouldn't be too happy with rebidding 2♠, 3♠ or 2♣ after 1♠ 1N.

[Cyberyeti]

Why can't people see they are now on the 3! level opposite a silent! partner with a minimum! opening bid that has gotten worse! with no! assurance that we have a fit or that even if we do our action will find it? I am dying a slow death here. Anything but pass shows some combination of lack of experience, lack of understanding of how scoring in bridge works, or stubborn reliance on cliches and bad advice.

But isn't partner going to pass almost anything with <3♠ and <4♥ here that can't bid an immediate 3N ? (I disagree with mich-b's comment above in that either action is going to get you to a silly spot, and the assessment that this is a minimum opening hand, yes the K♦ has got worse during the auction, but it started out around 6.5 playing tricks and has dropped to 6, so I'm quite happy continuing).

 

Partner is still likely to have quite a reasonable hand, I'd give him an average holding of a 2344/2335 11 count (assuming in ACBL land 3♦ is weak as it usually is over here).

 

And at this vulnerability, I wouldn't rule out the 3♦ bid being a right load of rubbish, so there is still a decent chance of him holding a full on penalty double.

[pooltuna]

Why can't people see they are now on the 3! level opposite a silent! partner with a minimum! opening bid that has gotten worse! with no! assurance that we have a fit or that even if we do our action will find it? I am dying a slow death here. Anything but pass shows some combination of lack of experience, lack of understanding of how scoring in bridge works, or stubborn reliance on cliches and bad advice.

Are you really demanding that partner bid 3NT with [hv=v=n&s=sxxhaqxdqt9xxckxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

Not everyone likes to do that. The way you are complaining about everyone's ignorance about level and scoring is losing you the right to bitch about not being protected; UNLESS you have an agreement that partner MUST protect you and you get to choose willy nilly when you will protect (This is known BTW as the mastermind agreement). Acting over 3♦ is not without risk but you do have a passing RHO and a preempting LHO at unfavorable. If you can't act in most situations in passout seat under those circumstances you need to consider giving up negative doubles over 3 level bids.

 

Sorry if this is coming across as harsh. I just think you are overreacting to what is clearly an ugly choice with a wide divergence of possible outcomes. Possibly a simul can help with odds on the negative side.