ONEferBRID Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 (2D!) - ?? Righty deals and opens a weak two-bid in either Major.What action do you take ? : Q 9 8 6 x xxx xK 8 x x Edit: Eric Rodwell overcalled 2S ( see my later reply ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I pass, WTP? It's a weak preempt, and I probably have a worse hand then they do, why would I bid now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I pass, WTP? It's a weak preempt, and I probably have a worse hand then they do, why would I bid now? ROFL :( I'd pass a 2♥ opener so why wouldn't I pass now. Easiest pass ever posted here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 This problem does not belong in the A/E forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Maybe we are supposed to jump to 4♥ so LHO with a good hand and 3-3 majors bids 4♠ expecting his partner to have spades. But I'd want better spades for that since I may have to play 4♠ if it goes wrong. Ideally partner would have passed already as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Maybe we are supposed to jump to 4♥ so LHO with a good hand and 3-3 majors bids 4♠ expecting his partner to have spades. Even if this "works" and LHO does bid 4♠, I think pd is likely to bid 5♥ ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Many bidding problems depend on vulnerability, but not this one. Why not post a poll in an attempt to get a completely unanimous vote for Pass? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 pass but im not ashamed to admit that I will probably come in later:) ♥6421 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I played just one hand in the last few years where multi was opened on my right. I overcalled on a very light hand (not this light) with 6 spades 2♠. LHO doubled as P/C, RHO's suit was spades and I went for (luckily just) 800. At the other table my teammate passed on RHO's hand, my hand opened multi, over the 2♥ P/C response my teammate bid 2♠, that got doubled and also went for 800. My track record against multi for the last few years is therefore quite bad. I'm not overcalling here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Pass wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 "Right, I open 2♠" "Oh you have already bid 2♦?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 (2D!) - ?? Righty deals and opens a weak two-bid in either Major.What action do you take ? : Q 9 8 6 x xxx xK 8 x x I believe the applicable meta-agreement is "don't preempt over preempts" which can loosely be read as don't bid with a preemptive hand after they preempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 (2D!) - ?? Righty deals and opens a weak two-bid in either Major.What action do you take ? : Q 9 8 6 x xxx xK 8 x x I believe the applicable meta-agreement is "don't preempt over preempts" which can loosely be read as don't bid with a preemptive hand after they preempt. ???? I had always understood that this expression described the definition of jump overcalls after preemptive openings. Consider the following two auction (1♦) - 2♠ (2♦) - 3♠ In the first auction, the jump overcall shows a preemptive hand.In the second auction, the jump overcall shows a strong hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 (2D!) - ?? Righty deals and opens a weak two-bid in either Major.What action do you take ? : Q 9 8 6 x xxx xK 8 x x I believe the applicable meta-agreement is "don't preempt over preempts" which can loosely be read as don't bid with a preemptive hand after they preempt. ???? I had always understood that this expression described the definition of jump overcalls after preemptive openings. Consider the following two auction (1♦) - 2♠ (2♦) - 3♠ In the first auction, the jump overcall shows a preemptive hand.In the second auction, the jump overcall shows a strong hand. so WTP in the last auction (2♦) 3♠ you are prevented by agreements from holding the OP's hand or equivalent. What I am saying is you should not even dream of making a 2♠ call with the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 (2D!) - ?? Righty deals and opens a weak two-bid in either Major.What action do you take ? : Q 9 8 6 x xxx xK 8 x x I believe the applicable meta-agreement is "don't preempt over preempts" which can loosely be read as don't bid with a preemptive hand after they preempt. ???? I had always understood that this expression described the definition of jump overcalls after preemptive openings. Consider the following two auction (1♦) - 2♠ (2♦) - 3♠ In the first auction, the jump overcall shows a preemptive hand.In the second auction, the jump overcall shows a strong hand. so WTP in the last auction (2♦) 3♠ you are prevented by agreements from holding the OP's hand or equivalent. What I am saying is you should not even dream of making a 2♠ call with the hand. There is a parallel thread going on about the correct course of action when someone states something you believe to be is factually incorrect. It is my understanding that the expression "You don't preempt over a preempt" has a fairly specific meaning and said meaning has nothing to do with the strength requirements for direct overcalls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 please don't bid 2♠ or 2 anything else for that matter with this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted March 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Well, my thought initially was the same as the replies here when I first saw the hand... and that was to pass.But that was not the case with a distiguished pair. This problem does not belong in the A/E forum. You are right, Art, this pair needs a "Meckwell"category all by itself. 2♠ was overcalled by none other than Eric Rodwell.The deal, from a national team championship a number of years ago, was reprinted in a recent newspaper column. (2D!) - 2S - (3C) - passpass - 3S - ( p ) - 4Sall pass Jeff Meckstroth held:A x xQ T xA K Q J T9 x Edit: The hand made by keeping the 2D! bidder (who's partner held the stiff ♠K and the ♣ A Q J x x ) off lead ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Something about this story does not make sense. Meck passed a 16 count with Axx in support of partner? Eric then bid THREE SPADES? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 This just cannot be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted March 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Tannah-Hirsch Bridge Column from 3/3/2010.....( Fort Worth Star Telegram ). e-mail: gorenbridge@aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Something about this story does not make sense. Meck passed a 16 count with Axx in support of partner? Eric then bid THREE SPADES? obviously we do not know the Meckwell agreements in place to handle 2♦ Multi. That is not to imply they are "standard" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 lol, something is rotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Meckstroth never bids his games so I believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I feel like the most likely explanation is that Eric opened 2♦ with the given hand, as I believe meckwell played a weak-only 2♦ multi years ago. Maybe the point was someone psyched 2♠ and they still got to 4♠ and then the play was cool because the opps misdefended or the ♣A was onside or RHO didn't have a ♥ honor or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 With the defense I use against Multi, it does not quality for a "better Multi" call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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