dellache Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=saq54hjt963d5cq65]133|100|Scoring: IMPPass Pass 1♦ YourBid[/hv]Why or why not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Obbbbbbbvious 1♥. If you want to double, well it looks weird but will probably be ok. If you bid michaels I will laugh at you but we will move on with life after that. But don't pass or you will give me apoplexy, ty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 obvious 2♦ michaels. just cuz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 1♥ all day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 If I were a passed hand I would X (just my style) but I want a bit more chunk to X unpassed, so I like 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I'd bid 1♥. Close to a pass though. But, with a STRETCH 7-loser hand, and GREAT pattern, just enough to bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 oui, 1♥ certainement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 With 4-5-1-3, not playing any methods to show 4-5s, I tend to start with a double. But I certainly wouldn't criticize anyone who wanted to bid 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 1N for takeout rules at this vul :(.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 1N for takeout rules at this vul :(.. Edit: I am not a fan of 1N for takeout period, much less after a 3rd seat opener just in front of you. It preempts opponents slightly, I guess, but in suits that you were prepared to bid yourself, and you leave yourself much more open to penalty Xs because you can't get out at the 1 level. This is besides the fact that you now have problems with a 15-18 balanced hand (I suppose that's now X, but still...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Hi, I dont bid 1H. I would either bid 2D or make a T/O X, depends basically on partnershipagreement.If I cant, than it would be either Pass or bid 1S. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 No. The bid takes away no bidding space.The bid does cry for a lead we do not want.We are minimum. So, what do we win by bidding 1 Heart? A good sacrifice against 5 Diamond or 5 club? A Heart lead if partner has KQx? That they miss 3 NT because they are afraid of hearts? Too small targets. Double or pass. I would double. This is slightly below my normal minimum strength, but the great shape makes up for it. And partner is a passed hand, he won'T jump to game quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 x or pass, depends a LOT on whom i am playing with. but none of my regulars would digest 1h well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 So, what do we win by bidding 1 Heart? A good sacrifice against 5 Diamond or 5 club? A Heart lead if partner has KQx? That they miss 3 NT because they are afraid of hearts? Too small targets. For example, to play 2H instead of defending 2D. I mean of course some bad things might happen if you bid 1H but don't you think you overstate your case? It's fine if you think x will work better I guess but at least acknowledge that 1♥ wins over x whenever we have a 5-3 heart fit and it loses only rarely if we have a 4-4 spade fit. Also an overcall does not misrepresent our strength quite as much as a takeout double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 No. The bid takes away no bidding space. But parners raise might. The bid does cry for a lead we do not want. I would certainly lead a heart vs NT, and I would often want partner to lead one, even from Kx. We are minimum.So what? We bid when we are minimum, we pass when we are below minimum. So, what do we win by bidding 1 Heart? A good sacrifice against 5 Diamond or 5 club? A Heart lead if partner has KQx? That they miss 3 NT because they are afraid of hearts?Apart from the abovementioned:- It might be our hand.- We might push the opponents to high, battling for the partscore. Classic arguments, classic counterarguments. Too small targets.Obviously debateable. Double or pass. I would double. This is slightly below my normal minimum strength, but the great shape makes up for it. And partner is a passed hand, he won'T jump to game quickly.Better than pass, but still along way from my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I like that there are lots of arguments against the overcall and then double is chosen, with no mention of arguments against doubling on a 9 count with a 5 card major. Anyway I've stopped getting into these arguments about all the disadvantages of these overcalls. They work in practice. People bid much worse when their opponents are bidding too, that's simply a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 x or pass, depends a LOT on whom i am playing with. but none of my regulars would digest 1h well Are they experts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Either 1H or x is ok for me. Lol at pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 For example, to play 2H instead of defending 2D. I mean of course some bad things might happen if you bid 1H but don't you think you overstate your case? It's fine if you think x will work better I guess but at least acknowledge that 1♥ wins over x whenever we have a 5-3 heart fit and it loses only rarely if we have a 4-4 spade fit. Also an overcall does not misrepresent our strength quite as much as a takeout double. Of course bidding 1 Heart has many upsides too, so has passing or bidding 1 ♠. I just like to state the reasons why I have an opinion instead of just stating an opinion. I have no idea how you will find your spade fit after 1 Heart and I have no idea why you think double misinterprets the strength even more then an overcall. For me this would be no typicall overcall nor a typical double- and no typical pass either. ;) I do not know your style, or the typical expert style, mine is to overcall on marginal hands with good suits. So this hand won't qualify for me, but taste differs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Over 1m, I have a bid for just this hand 2H = 4+S, 5+H, less than good 13hcp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 1♥ for me too. Don't like doubling with a 5 card major, or with such few points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I just like to state the reasons why I have an opinion instead of just stating an opinion. That is very good but sometimes it is good to have positive reasons also not just highlighting (not very accurately) the perceived flaws of an alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 No. The bid takes away no bidding space.The bid does cry for a lead we do not want.We are minimum. So, what do we win by bidding 1 Heart? A good sacrifice against 5 Diamond or 5 club? A Heart lead if partner has KQx? That they miss 3 NT because they are afraid of hearts? Too small targets. Double or pass. I would double. This is slightly below my normal minimum strength, but the great shape makes up for it. And partner is a passed hand, he won'T jump to game quickly. What!? A voice of sanity in the wildernes...er forum? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 No. The bid takes away no bidding space.The bid does cry for a lead we do not want.We are minimum. So, what do we win by bidding 1 Heart? A good sacrifice against 5 Diamond or 5 club? A Heart lead if partner has KQx? That they miss 3 NT because they are afraid of hearts? Too small targets. Double or pass. I would double. This is slightly below my normal minimum strength, but the great shape makes up for it. And partner is a passed hand, he won'T jump to game quickly. What!? A voice of sanity in the wildernes...er forum? :)No. Just another old man. :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I think pass and double are both losing bridge with a hand like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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