Bbradley62 Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 SAYC doesn't specify Lebensohl, so what is expected in an individual game (playing SAYC) after interference in our NT auction? Over 1NT-(Dbl), are systems on or are 2-level bids runouts? If it goes 1NT-(2♣)-2♦, is that a transfer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRJ Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 In SAYC systems on after X, off after overcall. See ACBL booklet http://web2.acbl.org/documentlibrary/play/...gle%20pages.pdf. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 SAYC doesn't specify Lebensohl, so what is expected in an individual game (playing SAYC) after interference in our NT auction? Over 1NT-(Dbl), are systems on or are 2-level bids runouts? If it goes 1NT-(2♣)-2♦, is that a transfer? If they make a X => System is on.If they intervene with a suit bid => system is off, assumepenalty double, new suit on the 2 level are to play, new suits on the 3 level are gf. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 In reality, you're much more likely to get it right if you assume: Systems on always (even at the 3 level)X is stolen bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 In reality, you're much more likely to get it right if you assume: Systems on always (even at the 3 level)X is stolen bid. No you're not. From the moment they overcall 2♦ or higher you lost your precious stayman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Free, opposite someone playing SAYC, you are very much correct.Opposite someone playing on BBO agreeing "SAYC", Tyler is correct - if you assume systems on/stolen bid, you're likely to be right. If you're lucky, you'll get "systems on/stolen bid double/cuebid stayman"; if you're not, your cuebid is going to be passed. Remember: online, someone playing SAYC means simply that they can find the letters "S", "A", "Y", and "C" on their keyboard.... (yes, I stole that quote). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 When I am playing in an individual, say the acbl indy which specifies sayc, I assume that partner is bidding sayc. Of course sometimes he isn't. I live with that. I find such a disater to be far preferable to having to explain after the disaster: Partner, I know the site stipulates sayc as a default and I saw that your profile says sayc but I decided to assume that you were playing stolen because... (it doesn't matter what reason you give, he won't be reading it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Agree with Ken. I suppose many would play stolen bid over 2♣ as that is what GIB plays. And many would assume Capp for the same reason. But over 2♦ and higher I think the vast majority would assume natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate22 Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Good points raised---with a regular pard on BBO we have agreed sys on,but with a pick up pard-I usually state sys off if opps come in.I find no confusion thenregards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 In an ACBL indy, you are expected to know what SAYC is and if you are not bidding by SAYC, there could be score adjustments. In non-ACBL indy, see what mycroft wrote, also no redress for any damage to bidder or their opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 In reality, you're much more likely to get it right if you assume: Systems on always (even at the 3 level)X is stolen bid. Said it before, I'll say it again... The most terrifying words in bridge are "You play stolen bid doubles, don't you dearie?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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