sheilafran Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 the bidding goes 1c double pass 1h 1s 2h.... how many points should this be Yes I want to know how many points the original doubler must have to now bid 2hearts.. does it show an opening hand or does it show 16+ points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 (1♣)-X-(P)-1♥-(1♠)-2♥* *How many points does the 2♥ bid imply? Is this what you are trying to ask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 gwnn help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Bobby Wolff discussed this in his bridge column yesterday I believe. His view was that if opener passes, then the raise is game invitational (so shows more than a minimum takeout double). If opener doubles or bids, then the raise to the 2-level is merely competitive and shows 4-card support, but does not promise more than a minimum takeout double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Here is the most recent instalment in this series: http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=36501 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 In old-fashioned standard bidding you were assumed to have already shown an opening bid with support, so a raise showed extras - around 16 HCP at least. This was true in competition as well. Over the years that has changed (along with the hands that many will make takeout doubles on). Many still play that a raise without competition shows extras, but few play that in competition. Personally, I have an agreement with many partners that a raise in or out of competition after making a takeout double promises 4 card support without extras, and the failure to raise denies 4 card support. To show extras, I need to cue bid or jump raise (depending on the hand type). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 agree to bobby wolff ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Shows four card support, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 The argument for xtra values is based on not bidding the same values twice and I agree with it so for me 2♥ shows xtras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 this is not the same auction but: http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=32319 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 agree to bobby wolff ^^ Me also and this is the modern way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 For me - in competition, it shows 4-card hearts- without competition, it shows 4-card hearts and extras (in HCP or playing strength, either is fine) but the raise is still invitational, not forcing. Many kind of agreements exist and can be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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