quiddity Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 [hv=d=w&v=e&s=s92ht5dakcakqj872]133|100|Scoring: MP1♦ P 1♥ ?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 3H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Ok I better ask. 2♥ natural but 3♥ stopper ask? And bidding the suit you don't have stopped? Are these both standard here? I honestly don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Ok I better ask. 2♥ natural but 3♥ stopper ask? And bidding the suit you don't have stopped? Are these both standard here? I honestly don't know. I think one of 2D or 3D should be natural. I prefer 2D to be natural and 3D to ask for a stopper. This violates the 2 cuebid rule i guess, but since these bids are STOPPER ASK it makes sense to me to bid the one you don't have. If 2D=michaels then I prefer 3D to be nat and to have no stopper ask in that suit. I don't mind 2D michaels. 2H cannot be anything other than nat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted March 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 3H stopper ask certainly beats my braindead "double and bid clubs" approach, but 3NT seems pretty unlikely to succeed. Partner's usual range is 0-5 or something? If she can stop hearts, how likely is it that she can stop spades as well? And how likely is it that the opponents will lead anything other than a spade against 3NT on this bidding? Or are you trying for 3NT with the expectation that it might go down but might be a good sacrifice against the opponent's game? If the opps double 3N, are you running to 4C or are you sitting, hoping that it will increase the chance of a diamond lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 I think they won't necessarily lead a spade, and if they do they might have only 3 of them to cash, and if they have 4 then maybe partner has the HA, or partner might stop both with like the QJ of both suits etc. I wouldn't really be shocked even if partner had 8 points, 0-5 seems pretty conservative. It might seem obvious to lead a spade but if we have a spade + diamond stop a diamond is more likely to be a winnign lead, trying to set up their diamonds while we only have 8 tricks (even if partner has a stopper in hearts, if it's not trick 9 if it's not an immediate trick). For instace if we had KQ xx Ax AKQJxxx or w/e a spade lead would probably not be good. So really I think they could lead either suit, and even if they lead a spade we have a bunch of ways to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Oh yeah I definitely want to bid 3♥ assuming that's what it means, I just wouldn't have thought that's what it means. I would think 3♦ and 3♥ are both preempts. But I can't be sure because I never thought about it before. I do generally think stopper ask bids are luxuries though, like my last resort choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 I stopped being scientific with this sort of hands. Just bid 3NT and let them guess what the right lead is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Just a me-too post: I bid 3♥ here and yes, I think 2♥ natural and 3♥ stopper-asking is standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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