your bid

[jillybean]

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1♦ : 1♠

2♦ : ?

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uncontested auction

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

2H or 3C.

 

If you play 2H as a 4 carder, the classic meaning, than you need to invent

sometimes a bid in a minor on the 3 level.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[vuroth]

3NT

[PhantomSac]

2H, 3N is premature as we could belong in spades, diamonds, or slam, especially when partner has a stiff club.

[ArtK78]

I play 3♣ here as extended new minor forcing (with 2♥ as nonforcing showing 5-4 or better), and that is the call that I would make.

[jdonn]

I used to think 2♥ should be NF here but now I'm definitely with the majority that forcing is better. You give opener so much more space (he has 3 useful bids below the level of 3♦ which he wouldn't have if we bid 3♣), and then our 3♣ bid itself become more descriptive as well. So I bid 2♥ on this hand.

[ONEferBRID]

After a same-suit minor rebid by Opener, "cheapest new suit forcing " ( 2♥! here ) and may be artificial -- Responder ostensibly showing 5+ cards ♠ .

[neilkaz]

I used to think 2♥ should be NF here but now I'm definitely with the majority that forcing is better. You give opener so much more space (he has 3 useful bids below the level of 3♦ which he wouldn't have if we bid 3♣), and then our 3♣ bid itself become more descriptive as well. So I bid 2♥ on this hand.

I agree with Josh here and note that his cat is much fatter than mine.

[jillybean]

Thanks, I like the idea of using 2♥ forcing here.

 

If 2♥ can be short, what would partner bid over 2♥ holding something like

 

x,xxxx,KQxxxx,AK

[blackshoe]

I suspect opener should raise hearts with that hand, notwithstanding that responder might not have four hearts.

[helene_t]

I think that hands needs to bid 3♥. After all, 2♥ might be natural ;)

 

Maybe responder can then bid 3♠ and opener now 3NT. It is a little bit of guesswork, though. Opener's 3♠ bid could also be the way to show a GF hand with long spades, assuming that 3♠ as responder's second turn would not be forcing.

 

I am assuming that 2♥ is "in principle" natural. But opener will not need to bid 4♥ to show a maximum with four hearts. This is because once opener shows 4-card heart support, you are in a game force.

[jillybean]

And after 3♥ here, 3nt, 3♠, ♦ ?

 

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1♦ : 1♠

2♦ : 2♥

3♥ : ?

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[vuroth]

I think 3NT is right. This should let partner know that our heart bid wasn't a 4 card suit, wouldn't it?

[P_Marlowe]

Thanks, I like the idea of using 2♥ forcing here.

 

If 2♥ can be short, what would partner bid over 2♥ holding something like

 

x,xxxx,KQxxxx,AK

3D.

 

Basically it depends, if you want to force with this hand to game,

I would not, so 3D it would be for me.

The alternative to 3D would be 2NT, if you want to sell your 4 card

suit as stopper.

If responder has 5-4 in the majors and a game force, he will bid

again.

 

If you want to play 2H as artifcial (sensible), than you should also

discuss with your p, what 3H instead of 2H showes, and what a

delayed 3H bid showes.

 

Assuming you play NMF, my suggestion would be, to play it in the

same way.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[jillybean]

I think 3NT is right. This should let partner know that our heart bid wasn't a 4 card suit, wouldn't it?

Yes it would deny 4♥ however with our ♣ holding, we also need to hope that partner hasn't opened on

K,Qxxx,AQJxxx,xx

[jdonn]

Typically with 4 hearts opener would raise to 3♥. However with x xxxx KQxxxx AK like you give it would probably be a good judgment call to bid 2NT instead.

[Echognome]

I think it should at least be mentioned, BIL notwithstanding, that if you play 2♥ here as forcing, then you are stuck with the 5-4 or 5-5 majors hand and less than invitational values. A solution around that is to play Reverse Flannery over 1m openings (which also helps over certain over calls like a 2♣ response).

 

Given that 2♥ is forcing, then I would bid:

 

1♦ - 1♠;

2♦ - 2♥;

3♥ - 3♠;

3NT

 

Yes you may play in a 5-2, but that may be the best contract opposite partner's 2=4=5=2 hand with no club stopper.

[jdonn]

2452???

[Fluffy]

after 2♥ partner is almost forced to raise with any 4 carder.

 

If partner raises 2♥ to 3♥ your bid is 3NT, yes, you might lack a club stopper, but after a major has been raised and its not gonna be a good spot your only way to show it is to bid 3NT ASAP. You don't know if 3NT is good or not, but you do know 4♥ is silly.

[Echognome]

2452???

Your bid on xx AQxx AQJTx xx after 1♦ - 1♠?

 

But fine 2=4=6=1 would have been better to the point. Or do you think that's not possible either?

[Cyberyeti]

I play 2♥ fully artificial here inv+, and a 2N response to this shows ♥ and a minimum, 3♥ ♥ and a maximum.

[jdonn]

2452???

Your bid on xx AQxx AQJTx xx after 1♦ - 1♠?

 

But fine 2=4=6=1 would have been better to the point. Or do you think that's not possible either?

I think you know what I would rebid on the first hand. And I hope the second part was sarcastic hehe.

[hanp]

Agree with gnomes 3S bid after 1D - 1S- 2D - 2H - 3H.

[the hog]

after 2♥ partner is almost forced to raise with any 4 carder.

 

If partner raises 2♥ to 3♥ your bid is 3NT, yes, you might lack a club stopper, but after a major has been raised and its not gonna be a good spot your only way to show it is to bid 3NT ASAP. You don't know if 3NT is good or not, but you do know 4♥ is silly.

Your bid is 3NT? Many play this as a serious, (or frivolous), slam try. That is why I disagree with 2H. Why not play 2NT as an artifical waiting bid? This is common in Polish Club systems and avoids silly bids like 2h on a 3 card suit.

Sure you lose a natural 2NT, however as partner has already shown 6Ds this is not much of a loss. As I have stated in previous posts, you are unlikely to make 8 tricks - if the Ds come in, you will probably make more; if not ...well....

[Finch]

It's not necessary to go all the way and play 2H as completely artificial (or 2NT, or 3C). The useful part is to agree that 2H is forcing, and ostensibly natural.

 

The only additional part you need to agree on is that opener's raise to 3H is forcing. If you have an invitational hand with 5-4 in the majors opposite an opening bid with e.g. a 1=4=5=3 then you will end in game when 3H might have been better, but that is not the end of the world.

 

So after 1D - 1S; 2D - 2H; 3H - ? responder bids 3NT to say he didn't have four hearts after all but was looking for the best game; he bids 4D to show a slam try in diamonds; he bids 4C to agree hearts and make a slam try. Whether 3S agrees hearts or is natural and forcing depends if you had a forcing way to bid spades earlier in the auction (e.g. by a strong jump shift).

 

2H, 3N is premature as we could belong in spades, diamonds, or slam, especially when partner has a stiff club.

 

Including slam in hearts...

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