Responding to takeout double

[nigel_k]

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=s109854h86432dkcaj]133|100|Scoring: IMP

1♣* X 1♠* ?[/hv]

 

Apologies for not including partner's X the first time.

 

1♣ may be as few as 2 clubs if 11-14 balanced. 1♠ is artificial with no major and forcing for one round. Continuations hidden below:

 

 

If you X, it goes P-P-2D

If you bid 2C it goes P-2H-P

If you bid 2S it goes P-P-3C

 

What next?

 

[whereagles]

what a yucky hand.. PASS

[Cascade]

Did partner PASS or DBL? I am confused by the thread title.

[gwnn]

if GOP doubled I'd bid 2C and 3H over 2H, invitational. if GOP passed I pass for the reasons the blue fish mentioned.

[quiddity]

I guess I would double to show spades, and then bid 2H over RHO's 2D.

[Fluffy]

2♠ then 3♥

[655321]

I would bid 2♣ and raise partner's 2M to game. Second choice, 2♣ then raise 2M to 3M inv.

[PhantomSac]

lol I'd just bid 2H. Color me naive but I don't think they psyched so my hand is pretty awful with spades on my right and all honors in short suits.

[gnasher]

2♣ then raise partner's major to the three-level.

 

With most 8-counts containing 5-5 in the majors, I'd bid 4♣ to get my shape across and prepare for further competition. This one is different, though.

[PhantomSac]

With most 8-counts containing 5-5 in the majors, I'd bid 4♣ to get my shape across and prepare for further competition. This one is different, though.

Even after RHO has shown one? I mean even if they psyche sometimes, it is still way less common imo than them just having 4 spades. I think slowing down after that seems prudent, but maybe I'm just overadjusting too much.

 

Your 2C then raise plan seems sensible to me, driving to game just seems really mad. Still prefer a conservative 2H, maybe I've seen too many crappy doubles heh.

[jdonn]

I'm a bit torn between 2♥ and 3♥. I think either is ok, or if you want to cuebid and raise a major a level that is fine too. Jumping (or forcing) to game seems mad to me.

[PhantomSac]

I'm a bit torn between 2♥ and 3♥. I think either is ok, or if you want to cuebid and raise a major a level that is fine too. Jumping (or forcing) to game seems mad to me.

YOU COPIED ME BY SAYING MAD!!!!!!!!!!

[jdonn]

Lallian slip? Must be because I just read your post and agreed lol. I was going to say something like game is only likely to be right if 1♠ is a psych too but I didn't want to copy you.

[gnasher]

From the original post:

1♠ is artificial with no major and forcing for one round.

[jdonn]

Wow I've become terrible at reading the posts. Now I definitely invite via cuebid (of clubs) and raise.

[PhantomSac]

Wow I've become terrible at reading the posts. Now I definitely invite via cuebid (of clubs) and raise.

HAH I TRICKED YOU!

 

Ok actually I can't read, there was even a STAR lol.

 

At least 655321 has not gone mad, how could I ever doubt him!

[Codo]

I would bid 2 ♣ with a partner who is sure that this is a cuebid- so opposite any sane partner.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

X, showing spades, planning to show hearts later, at whatever level.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[pooltuna]

Hi,

 

X, showing spades, planning to show hearts later, at whatever level.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

seems like we have several scenarios in play to show the majors without any clear meta-agreements as to which applies in this particular situation.

 

Plan 1] bid 2♠ planning on bidding ♥s later

Plan 2] X to show ♠ planning on bidding ♥s later

Plan 3] -X to show ♥ planning on bidding ♠s later

Plan 4] bid 2♣ planning on raising pards M to 3 or 4M ...guess we bid ♠ if pard chooses to bid ♦s

 

I think Plan 1 needs to be the stongest hand as it soaks up the most room. Next would be plan 2. Partner needs to realize Plan 3 does not really apply since RHO has not really shown ♠s. Not sure where Plan 4 should fall in this mix.

[gnasher]

seems like we have several scenarios in play to show the majors without any clear meta-agreements as to which applies in this particular situation.

 

Plan 1] bid 2♠ planning on bidding ♥s later

Plan 2] X to show ♠ planning on bidding ♥s later

Plan 3] -X to show ♥ planning on bidding ♠s later

Plan 4] bid 2♣ planning on raising pards M to 3 or 4M ...guess we bid ♠ if pard chooses to bid ♦s

 

I think Plan 1 needs to be the stongest hand as it soaks up the most room. Next would be plan 2. Partner needs to realize Plan 3 does not really apply since RHO has not really shown ♠s. Not sure where Plan 4 should fall in this mix.

2♠ is non-forcing, just like any other new-suit response to a takeout double. 2♠ followed by 3♥ is also non-forcing, and just competitive.

 

Double (showing spades) is unlimited, but in my world it suggests either only four spades or a hand that isn't worth the two-level.

 

Double (showing hearts) has, so far as I can see, not been suggested by anyone, and I can't imagine why anyone would suggest it.

 

2♣ is forcing, artificial and unlimited.

 

4♣, which you didn't mention, would show this sort of shape but not this sort of suit.

 

This isn't a difficult auction to understand, and it doesn't require any discussion to work out what your methods are - just pretend it has gone

  (1♣) dbl (1<suit below spades>)

with double replacing 1♠, except that 1♠ is unlimited because it can be.