Aberlour10 Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 [hv=s=saq9875h83da9764c]133|100|[/hv] I suppose similar problems have been already posted in forums....but I could not find it. This hand seemed too strong for me ...for 2s opening in 1st seat. How would you handle this.... 1s? pass? something else? Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 I bet almost unanimous 1♠ here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 I dont know what Fluffy means by "unanimous here". Surely this is a really clear 1S opening, it is an extremely strong hand. I see many of these "oh yes here on the forums" (like "here on the forums everybody thinks every double is takeout" and others) posts lately. Like this is a leper colony of biased and weak players. I am sorry but this is an absolutely clear-cut hand anywhere on this planet. (sorry Aberlour this is not directed at you at all) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Hi, 1S. What to bid on your 2nd turn is more interesting, I would go with 2D. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: Make the hand xxA9764AQ9875- And you may get votes for 1D, 1H and Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 easy 1♠ yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Not unanimous, I have a feeling one of ken's many meanings for a 2♦ opening shows this. But unanimous for the rest of the world except the occasional nut that opens 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Not unanimous, I have a feeling one of ken's many meanings for a 2♦ opening shows this. But unanimous for the rest of the world except the occasional nut that opens 4♠. (singing) Sometimes you feel like a nut... but seriously, 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 I bet almost unanimous 1♠ here WHAT!! YOU EXPECT BOTH PhantomSac AND Jdonn to agree with you !?!? but yeah it is a 1♠ opener to me B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Not unanimous, I have a feeling one of ken's many meanings for a 2♦ opening shows this. But unanimous for the rest of the world except the occasional nut that opens 4♠. Close, but one too many spades. LOL 1♠ for me. OK, can't stand it. I would open 1♦ is playing canape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 1♠ and a big WTP ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 1♠. If I can't do that, I open 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 I bet if you asked Fantunes what they would open in their system, they would open 1S showing 14 or more HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 I see many of these "oh yes here on the forums" (like "here on the forums everybody thinks every double is takeout" and others) posts lately. Like this is a leper colony of biased and weak players. I take these comments to mean that the forum has an area of group think and many idiosyncrasies that do not exist in the general bridge population. For sure forum standard in many situations is different from normal bridge standard. As you said though, this is a clear opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 I bet if you asked Fantunes what they would open in their system, they would open 1S showing 14 or more HCP. I dont know if they would but if they do...I hope they post in the b/i forum why. When experts promise 14 hcp but only have ten basic hcp for a one level bid......ok tell us more please... ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 I bet if you asked Fantunes what they would open in their system, they would open 1S showing 14 or more HCP. I dont know if they would but if they do...I hope they post in the b/i forum why. When experts promise 14 hcp but only have ten basic hcp for a one level bid......ok tell us more please... :) Perhaps bcuz this hand is 65 and has more playing strength than some 15 hcp 1NT openers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 I bet if you asked Fantunes what they would open in their system, they would open 1S showing 14 or more HCP. I dont know if they would but if they do...I hope they post in the b/i forum why. When experts promise 14 hcp but only have ten basic hcp for a one level bid......ok tell us more please... :) Perhaps bcuz this hand is 65 and has more playing strength than some 15 hcp 1NT openers. AGain.....in the b/i forum.......you may understand your post but trust me many of us may not..... You tell us you have 14+ hcp but you open with ten hcp...why not in the spirit of full disclosure explain more at least in a forum. What is playing str.? We hear the term plying strength often but what is that is some basic forum please? For instance are basically all 6-5 dist hands with ten hcp = to 14+ hcp? If so why?------------ In any event if you promise 14+ hcp and only have ten...can you understand some may find that a bit confusing in bridge. I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 I bet if you asked Fantunes what they would open in their system, they would open 1S showing 14 or more HCP. I dont know if they would but if they do...I hope they post in the b/i forum why. When experts promise 14 hcp but only have ten basic hcp for a one level bid......ok tell us more please... :) Perhaps bcuz this hand is 65 and has more playing strength than some 15 hcp 1NT openers. AGain.....in the b/i forum.......you may understand your post but trust me many of us may not..... You tell us you have 14+ hcp but you open with ten hcp...why not in the spirit of full disclosure explain more at least in a forum. What is playing str.? We hear the term plying strength often but what is that is some basic forum please? For instance are basically all 6-5 dist hands with ten hcp = to 14+ hcp? If so why?------------ In any event if you promise 14+ hcp and only have ten...can you understand some may find that a bit confusing in bridge. I do. OK for me, playing strength is trick taking ability and this hand has it on offense for sure and on defence it has 2 aces and 2.5 QT. I don't mind this hand on defence either should the opps somehow have most of the rest of the honors and outbid us. I'm sure some of our W/C ability players will be able to provide a deeper explanation and even some comparisons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 I bet if you asked Fantunes what they would open in their system, they would open 1S showing 14 or more HCP. I dont know if they would but if they do...I hope they post in the b/i forum why. When experts promise 14 hcp but only have ten basic hcp for a one level bid......ok tell us more please... :) Perhaps bcuz this hand is 65 and has more playing strength than some 15 hcp 1NT openers. AGain.....in the b/i forum.......you may understand your post but trust me many of us may not..... You tell us you have 14+ hcp but you open with ten hcp...why not in the spirit of full disclosure explain more at least in a forum. What is playing str.? We hear the term plying strength often but what is that is some basic forum please? For instance are basically all 6-5 dist hands with ten hcp = to 14+ hcp? If so why?------------ In any event if you promise 14+ hcp and only have ten...can you understand some may find that a bit confusing in bridge. I do. OK for me, playing strength is trick taking ability and this hand has it on offense for sure and on defence it has 2 aces and 2.5 QT. I don't mind this hand on defence either should the opps somehow have most of the rest of the honors and outbid us. I'm sure some of our W/C ability players will be able to provide a deeper explanation and even some comparisons. ? I got to admit I have no idea what you are saying...you say you have trick taking ability...but what is that and why does this hand have it? You say you like this hand for offense ok but why? You say you like this hand for defense ok but why? --------------- I guess I am asking for much more detail........your judgment may be perfect but you just speak in terms of conclusion.... --- my only point being posters have raised great points but not really explained them...just concluded them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jocdelevat Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 I can bet that if you give this hand to a group of b/i most of them will bid 2s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Mike bbo forums has a great private messaging function. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 1S, better than a minimum 1S opening because all points are in the long suits, there is a void, there are no dubious/wasted queens/jacks, it is 6-5, the suits have high spots, the list goes on for more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 I can bet that if you give this hand to a group of b/i most of them will bid 2s. that is also very true, people sometimes just count points, that's ok for beginners, but intermediates have to start to take a look at trick potential as well. On a large field I saw half the players open 1NT with: ♠Ax♥Ax♦AKQxxx♣xxx and a couple of them had represented my country internationally O_o. I wish I could point them to this thread so they can learn a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 I can bet that if you give this hand to a group of b/i most of them will bid 2s. You're on. I can bet that in a random sample of BIL members less than 75% will bid 2S. Does that sound OK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jocdelevat Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 You're on. I can bet that in a random sample of BIL members less than 75% will bid 2S. Does that sound OK? yes still shows what I was saying.Second If you refer to the BIL club I may agree that they should know it.Anyhow I should have say "IMO" instead of "I can bet" in the end it doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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