hrothgar Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Folks everyone's missed the boat here because no one's mentioned that the penalty double there of East is an IMMEDIATE alert because of them not being a passed hand. I've never seen this regulation before.Could you show me where it was in the conditions of contest? In all seriousness, most tournaments base their alert structure off SAYC, and in SAYC this is clearly defined as a penalty double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 It's in the alert procedure for the ACBL, and some flavors of SAYC play neg X's up through 3S, not 2S. Hence the problem - saying "SAYC" isn't exactly "SAYC" to some people. Most NBO's have their quirks as we know went it comes to alertable/nonalertable doubles. What IS the range of negative doubles for the contest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Folks everyone's missed the boat here because no one's mentioned that the penalty double there of East is an IMMEDIATE alert because of them not being a passed hand. I award 60/40 with E/W getting the short stick AND I slap a 1/4 board procedural penalty for making a double that was clearly penalty and not alerted.I missed the part where we were told that ACBL alerting regulations had jurisdiction. At worst the failure to alert, if it was alertable, was misinformation to N/S. However there was clearly no damage as N/S were never going to take any action other than pass it out in 3SX, nor was there any more profitable action that N/S could have made had they the inclination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annebabe Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 There are the "laws"and everyone should respect them. My reason for calling the TD was the doubler's rudeness. Yes, he hesitated and yes we were getting a zero (deserved.) And we have all had a double that the Bank of England would back, but partner pulls it, because.... (many reasons) My point is that a "fast" double makes it clear that "I have my double" and a very very very slow double has the same affect. BTW, no ccard was posted and no mention of sayc was made (if that is relevant)The TD asked the doubler to say "yes" or "no" if he paused unusually long several times. Not only did the doubler say rude things but refused to answer "yes" or "no" ... The TD could give us the -800 (we were entitled to) but they did not play "partnership" .. it was dictatorship. If he was the "boss" in the partnership (as is sometimes the case) the long hesitation made it "clear" So some negative adjustment to these opponents was not unreasonable. I think the issue is not "the rule" that in sayc a double of 2 spades or higher is penalty, but with the hesitation, this partner could NOT over ride her partner's decision or the rule. This partner KNEW.. without a doubt that her partner 'had us' as indeed he did. Heck, even my mom would have known. She's the dealer on BBO. And if she doesn't like the way you've acted, she gives the Aces and Kings to your opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annebabe Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Apply rules where appropriate. Is there a rule for a "fast" pass? Is there a rule for a "very very very" slow pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Lovely game this bridge is. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbreath Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 hi ..anyone care to define what a 'slow' pass is on BBO?How many times have you finished a round with 5 or more mins to spare.. then when y are ready to play another 2/3 mins appears ..so you go for a coffee ..when y get back there have been 1 or more bids and its your turn.. is a pass now a 'slow' pass?Rgds Dog :D furnulum pani nolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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