Lots of points

[effervesce]

the 1S opening on our right made our hand worse, not better. now you have little hope for 4 or 5 spade tricks. I am surprised you consider otherwise

absolutely right there is no way partner could have[hv=s=sxhkxxxxxdxxxcxxx]133|100|[/hv]

so game is completely out of reach

<sarcasm off>

pooltuna my old friend: this was my contention:

 

My hand got worse after RHO opened 1S.

 

To rephrase, suppose these two different scenarios:

 

a. RHO opened 1H

b. RHO opened 1S

 

In which case is this hand stronger? Why? Why not?

 

I think my hand is clearly better if RHO opens 1H than 1S. Do you disagree?

Um, gwnn, what you've said is absolutely true, but you're making the wrong comparison (strawman argument).

 

The comparison is NOT between a 1♥ and 1♠ opening by RHO; its a comparison between what the hand is worth when RHO bids 1♠ vs passing. It is true that we will have transportation problems given dummy will not have all that many points; but also given that RHO has most of the points most things would be onside. Thus I'd decide to not downgrade the hand and still think of it as a '22HCP' hand, which I'd have evaluated the hand as if RHO had passed.

[PhantomSac]

red/white I would X, any other vul I would just pass

And your rebid after X?

NT

 

whatever the minimum number I can bid is at that point.

[gwnn]

This is absolutely amazing. I write something in reply to effervesce and pooltuna replies to it (with a semi unrelated post). Then after I reply to pooltuna effervesce replies to my unrelated reply!!! Is it bizzaro week???

[effervesce]

This is absolutely amazing. I write something in reply to effervesce and pooltuna replies to it (with a semi unrelated post). Then after I reply to pooltuna effervesce replies to my unrelated reply!!! Is it bizzaro week???

lol. Nice pickup.