wank Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 AKJ8xA9xAQK98 Pass from P, 1S on your right. You're at red at imps. What's do you do? If you double partner bids 2H. What do you do then? X followd by 2N is 19-21 for you. Think you're too strong for that? Think the range is too wide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 x..2n seems right. I don't see why this is a particularly spectacular 21. Yes, some finesses rate to work, but partner knows that too. The big negative is that your spades do not rate to be a strong source of tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Even wider range is fine for 2NT. Lots of Points in your own hand without some in your partner's hand can easily only come to seven or less. The opening hand could easily be a psche or extra light so X then 2NT is ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 X, plan to bid 2NT. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 x and 2nt. the range is fine. I'm not too strong since I have so much in spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 X and 3NT for me. Don't need much from partner to get game, and don't want to give partner a hard decision whether to bid game or not with a few points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 What's so hard in that decision? If he wants to accept he accepts if he doesn't he doesn't. It's not nuclear physics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 If they're red, pass in a millisecond.If they're white, pass in 3 milliseconds.Not even close to double.If I got bluffed, I congratulate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 What's so hard in that decision? If he wants to accept he accepts if he doesn't he doesn't. It's not nuclear physics. If partner has around a 4 count - eg K hearts, JT of clubs- will partner bid game? Heck, JTxx hearts and JTxx clubs is a game I want to be in... The hand looks stronger than a simple 21 count to me-its more like 22. And I'm not taking the large number of honors in spades as a negative- its good that we have a stack of spade stops. There is a non-zero chance that LHO will lead a spade too. One of the reasons why aces (and, to a lesser extent kings) are undervalued in the standard 4-3-2-1 count is that they improve the value of other cards you and partner have in that suit. Jacks and tens that partner would otherwise value as worthless become gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Partner will accept with clearcut hands, he will reject with clearcut hands. I don't care much what he does with the very marginal hands -- they are marginal! And neither should he. I don't believe in agonizing for minutes on hands like this. The hands you give are admittedly marginal but I would ultimately just bid game with them. I would not yell at partner either way though. If, however, you think that this is the equivalent of a 22 count (I disagree with this), I agree that you shouldn't say it's a 19-21 count. But the reason "don't want to give partner a hard decision" is not a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 If, however, you think that this is the equivalent of a 22 count (I disagree with this), I agree that you shouldn't say it's a 19-21 count. But the reason "don't want to give partner a hard decision" is not a good one. Then that's where we disagree. Heck, I'd value it closer to 23 than 19-21 especially given it was a 1♠ opening before me. What I meant by "dont want to give partner a hard decision" is that partner will not know that game is right on JTxx hearts, JTxx clubs. It makes it easier for him to evaluate to bid 3NT on other hands, given that he won't, unlike you, think that Kxx hearts and JTxx clubs is enough for game when I rebid 2NT on another, different '19-21' hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 red/white I would X, any other vul I would just pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 the 1S opening on our right made our hand worse, not better. now you have little hope for 4 or 5 spade tricks. I am surprised you consider otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 the 1S opening on our right made our hand worse, not better. now you have little hope for 4 or 5 spade tricks. I am surprised you consider otherwiseabsolutely right there is no way partner could have[hv=s=sxhkxxxxxdxxxcxxx]133|100|[/hv]so game is completely out of reach <sarcasm off> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 I'm passing I really dislike the double followed by NT plan. I have 21 HCPsRHO is rates to have a 12 count. This leaves 7 HCPs between the other two hands.Lets be chartible and give partner four of them. If I end up declaring NT, I am going to have NO transportation into dummy.I'm going to get locked into my hand and constantly have to expose myself on lead. Contracting for 8 or 9 tricks seems suicidal. Yes, there are some hands where we might make game, however, partner's failure to preempt in first seat excludes an awful lot of them. There are a bunch of others where partner might be able to make an aggressive balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 I like double then notrump when I'm vul, but 3NT is way too much to rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 agree with justin, would pass at other vulnerabilities, but here we better act, double->2NT. There is also a cute alternative: bidding 1NT, wich directly inquiriys partner about having 5 hearts, if he does we settle to game, otherwise we play a good partscore (Wich coudl even be raised in my dreams). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 the 1S opening on our right made our hand worse, not better. now you have little hope for 4 or 5 spade tricks. I am surprised you consider otherwiseabsolutely right there is no way partner could have[hv=s=sxhkxxxxxdxxxcxxx]133|100|[/hv]so game is completely out of reach <sarcasm off> pooltuna my old friend: this was my contention: My hand got worse after RHO opened 1S. To rephrase, suppose these two different scenarios: a. RHO opened 1Hb. RHO opened 1S In which case is this hand stronger? Why? Why not? I think my hand is clearly better if RHO opens 1H than 1S. Do you disagree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 the 1S opening on our right made our hand worse, not better. now you have little hope for 4 or 5 spade tricks. I am surprised you consider otherwiseabsolutely right there is no way partner could have[hv=s=sxhkxxxxxdxxxcxxx]133|100|[/hv]so game is completely out of reach <sarcasm off> pooltuna my old friend: this was my contention: My hand got worse after RHO opened 1S. To rephrase, suppose these two different scenarios: a. RHO opened 1Hb. RHO opened 1S In which case is this hand stronger? Why? Why not? I think my hand is clearly better if RHO opens 1H than 1S. Do you disagree? clearly a 1♥ opening is better for this hand overall but even a 1♠ opening does not make this a hopeless cause as Justin seems to think else why is he passing with = and favorable vulnerabilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 X followed by 2N seems right. At this vul., the 1S after two passes could be similar to the third seat fav. "1♠" joke that I tried the other day (unfortunately pard didn't get it holding 11 points after they bid 1N and wanted to play in 1N-XX over his X of 1N): T98XX A9XX XXX X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 pass. sometimes responder bids with 3-4 points. this would be the wrong time to do it... :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 I like Dbl, followed by 2NT. This is only because we are red versus white, otherwise I pass. If they are red, I have no prob defending 1S, should the auction stop at 1S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted March 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 I followed the boring route and just showed 19-21 which fetched the dummy. Partner had:[hv=s=sqtxhjtxxxdxxxcxx]133|100|[/hv] so 3NT makes, though 4H by p wouldn't make if they find a spade lead. RHO had his bid (unsurprisingly, 2nd in) - 12 high with the remaining 5 spades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 the 1S opening on our right made our hand worse, not better. now you have little hope for 4 or 5 spade tricks. I am surprised you consider otherwise Apparently non-zero as it happened that we do have 5 spade tricks on this hand =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 red/white I would X, any other vul I would just pass And your rebid after X? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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