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[hv=d=e&v=n&s=skht52da8765cqj42]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(Pass)-Pass-(1)-Pass

(2) - ?[/hv]

 

You're in 2nd position, do you move over 2 or await developments?

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[hv=d=e&v=n&s=skht52da8765cqj42]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(Pass)-Pass-(1)-Pass

(2) - ?

You're in 2nd position, do you move over 2 or await developments?[/hv]

IMO _X = 10, 2N = 8, 3 = 6, _P = 4.

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NV I move (I'd choose 2N - 4-3 heart fit is OK at the 2-level but not so fun at the 3-level), V I don't.

Partner should not bid a 4 card heart suit unless he has no other (non spade) 4 card suit, he should bid 2N with 2 places to play.

 

If partner is 3-3 in the minors he will probably bid 3C anyways, so you gain by bidding 2N specifically when partner is 4432 (you get to 3D). You gain when he does not have a pass with that shape anyways.

 

If partner has any hand with 5 hearts you will probably get to an inferior spot, and even when you are gonna get to a 4-3 fit you'd like it to be hearts not clubs (so that you can take the tap in the short hand).

 

Heck, forget about the 4-3, what about when partner is 4522 and you play the 4-2 by bidding 2N!

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Partner have at most 11HCP, you have 7 useful HCP + singleton(+2 or 3DP) + 5th card(+1 or 2) , making a maximum of 23 to play at 3. Thus you better double before it is too high!

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Gee I throught for a moment and I may pass first. If opponents bid on partner will have less. If partner have 10~11 HCP he will bid.

 

Sorry!

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Partner have at most 11HCP, you have 7 useful HCP + singleton(+2/3DP) + 5th card(+1/2) , making a maximum of 23 to play at 3. Thus you better double before it is too high!

Why must partner have at most 11 HCP?

RHO have at least 13

LHO have at least 6

I have 10

40-13-6-10 = 11

Thus partner have at most 11 HCP.

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Partner have at most 11HCP, you have 7 useful HCP + singleton(+2/3DP) + 5th card(+1/2) , making a maximum of 23 to play at 3. Thus you better double before it is too high!

Why must partner have at most 11 HCP?

RHO have at least 13

LHO have at least 6

I have 10

40-13-6-10 = 11

Thus partner have at most 11 HCP.

QED

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Partner have at most 11HCP, you have 7 useful HCP + singleton(+2 or 3DP) + 5th card(+1 or 2) , making a maximum of 23 to play at 3. Thus you better double before it is too high!

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Gee I throught for a moment and I may pass first. If opponents bid on partner will have less. If partner have 10~11 HCP he will bid.

 

Sorry!

Given his spade length, he should not move, even if he happens

to hold 11HCP.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

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RHO have at least 13

LHO have at least 6

I have 10

40-13-6-10 = 11

Thus partner have at most 11 HCP.

You seems to be really serious about this. If I did not get the joke, I apologisze, but:

 

Opener has 10+, responder 5+ and even this is not guranteed.

So Partner has up to 15 HCPs.

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Partner should not bid a 4 card heart suit unless he has no other (non spade) 4 card suit, he should bid 2N with 2 places to play.

 

Remind me to suggest that method to my regular p sometime. Very sensible (and if you play it, yes, P>X>2NT on these cards rather than P>2NT>X)... in real life I think all my partners would consider 3H mandatory with 4. (Yeah, brings us back to the title of the forum.)

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Let's forget about HCP!!

 

Well, assume opponent have 5-3 fit. Unless partner has 4 hearts without any 4 card minors, we will usually takeout to an 8 card fit somewhere. The total tricks are 16. We will quite ofter turn 2= into 3?-1 (-90 -> -100) :( or 2-1 into 3?= (+50 -> +110) :lol: .

 

If they have a 9 card fit and we also found 8 (Total Tricks are 17), we may even turn 2= into 3?= too! (We might find 4-3 heart here, but TT is still 16)

So instead of letting partner hesitating, i will double right here!

 

Hope this is convincing at least 50% of the time! :P

 

Take-out =/= other major, that's my partner's rule!

 

Even if you happen to play 4-3 , unless partner's 4-4-2-3, you will always have an 8 card side suit fit, increasing the total tricks actually avaliable.

(The side suit can be established only in our own contract!)

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