Little Kid Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=skht52da8765cqj42]133|100|Scoring: IMP(Pass)-Pass-(1♠)-Pass(2♠) - ?[/hv] You're in 2nd position, do you move over 2♠ or await developments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pict Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 I look forward to broadening my mind! Meanwhile I just pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 I'd just pass, stiff K is a big warning sign, as is being red/white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 NV I move (I'd choose 2N - 4-3 heart fit is OK at the 2-level but not so fun at the 3-level), V I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Easy pass at these colors and I hate my stiff K of their suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 easy pass at IMPs, I'd tend to act at MPs against bad players who autobid 3♠ over our partscore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 NV I move (I'd choose 2N - 4-3 heart fit is OK at the 2-level but not so fun at the 3-level), V I don't. Good point, at the 3 level a 3-4 club fit works a lot better than a 4-3 heart fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=skht52da8765cqj42]133|100|Scoring: IMP(Pass)-Pass-(1♠)-Pass(2♠) - ?You're in 2nd position, do you move over 2♠ or await developments?[/hv] IMO _X = 10, 2N = 8, 3♦ = 6, _P = 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 NV I move (I'd choose 2N - 4-3 heart fit is OK at the 2-level but not so fun at the 3-level), V I don't. Partner should not bid a 4 card heart suit unless he has no other (non spade) 4 card suit, he should bid 2N with 2 places to play. If partner is 3-3 in the minors he will probably bid 3C anyways, so you gain by bidding 2N specifically when partner is 4432 (you get to 3D). You gain when he does not have a pass with that shape anyways. If partner has any hand with 5 hearts you will probably get to an inferior spot, and even when you are gonna get to a 4-3 fit you'd like it to be hearts not clubs (so that you can take the tap in the short hand). Heck, forget about the 4-3, what about when partner is 4522 and you play the 4-2 by bidding 2N! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Partner have at most 11HCP, you have 7 useful HCP + singleton(+2 or 3DP) + 5th card(+1 or 2) , making a maximum of 23 to play at 3♣♦♥. Thus you better double before it is too high!------------------------Gee I throught for a moment and I may pass first. If opponents bid on partner will have less. If partner have 10~11 HCP he will bid. Sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Partner have at most 11HCP, you have 7 useful HCP + singleton(+2/3DP) + 5th card(+1/2) , making a maximum of 23 to play at 3♣♦♥. Thus you better double before it is too high! Why must partner have at most 11 HCP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Partner have at most 11HCP, you have 7 useful HCP + singleton(+2/3DP) + 5th card(+1/2) , making a maximum of 23 to play at 3♣♦♥. Thus you better double before it is too high! Why must partner have at most 11 HCP? RHO have at least 13LHO have at least 6I have 1040-13-6-10 = 11Thus partner have at most 11 HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Partner have at most 11HCP, you have 7 useful HCP + singleton(+2/3DP) + 5th card(+1/2) , making a maximum of 23 to play at 3♣♦♥. Thus you better double before it is too high! Why must partner have at most 11 HCP? RHO have at least 13LHO have at least 6I have 1040-13-6-10 = 11Thus partner have at most 11 HCP. QED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Hi, given that we are red vs. green I would pass, if we are green bidding looks sensible (2NT or X), at red vs. red, it would be atoss up. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Partner have at most 11HCP, you have 7 useful HCP + singleton(+2 or 3DP) + 5th card(+1 or 2) , making a maximum of 23 to play at 3♣♦♥. Thus you better double before it is too high!------------------------Gee I throught for a moment and I may pass first. If opponents bid on partner will have less. If partner have 10~11 HCP he will bid. Sorry! Given his spade length, he should not move, even if he happensto hold 11HCP. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 RHO have at least 13LHO have at least 6I have 1040-13-6-10 = 11Thus partner have at most 11 HCP. You seems to be really serious about this. If I did not get the joke, I apologisze, but: Opener has 10+, responder 5+ and even this is not guranteed.So Partner has up to 15 HCPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 I opened with less than 13 last week. Once long ago even with less than 12! Never responded with less than 6 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Partner should not bid a 4 card heart suit unless he has no other (non spade) 4 card suit, he should bid 2N with 2 places to play. Remind me to suggest that method to my regular p sometime. Very sensible (and if you play it, yes, P>X>2NT on these cards rather than P>2NT>X)... in real life I think all my partners would consider 3H mandatory with 4. (Yeah, brings us back to the title of the forum.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 I would pass. After a few disasters balancing V vs NV, I learned to pass when I have wasted values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 I probably opened 1D precisely so I don't have this sort of problem, if partner has values, I'll have heard from him. I'd have said 2S was 0+, certainly was on the odd occasion I played 5CM, so plenty of room for partner to have a hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 How much space for him to not overcall 1S and then you have a decent contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinorKid Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Let's forget about HCP!! Well, assume opponent have 5-3 fit. Unless partner has 4 hearts without any 4 card minors, we will usually takeout to an 8 card fit somewhere. The total tricks are 16. We will quite ofter turn 2♠= into 3?-1 (-90 -> -100) :( or 2♠-1 into 3?= (+50 -> +110) :lol: . If they have a 9 card fit and we also found 8 (Total Tricks are 17), we may even turn 2♠= into 3?= too! (We might find 4-3 heart here, but TT is still 16)So instead of letting partner hesitating, i will double right here! Hope this is convincing at least 50% of the time! :P Take-out =/= other major, that's my partner's rule! Even if you happen to play 4-3 ♥ , unless partner's 4-4-2-3, you will always have an 8 card side suit fit, increasing the total tricks actually avaliable.(The side suit can be established only in our own contract!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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