blackshoe Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 For me, the standard of the EW pair is extremely important in deciding how to classify the psyche. I am sure that some Wests would not even consider that their partner might have psyched, and West's answers to the TD were plausible, but is it not right to have the same benchmark for fielding for all players? It is a little different to UI, but I would suggest that when West passes throughout where most people would act, this is fielding. Are you saying that there should be different requirements for different strengths of player? In practice there are several areas where there are different standards for different players. I'm not sure this shouldn't be one of them. It is my understanding that the EBU treat "fielding" as if it means "illegally catering for" (a psych or a misbid). I don't see how not knowing what the hell you're doing can be illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 It is my understanding that the EBU treat "fielding" as if it means "illegally catering for" (a psych or a misbid). I don't think that's quite correct. Both regulations and practice use the term "fielding" to mean "appearing to cater for (a psych or a misbid)". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejak Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 It is my understanding that the EBU treat "fielding" as if it means "illegally catering for" (a psych or a misbid). I don't see how not knowing what the hell you're doing can be illegal.A basic principle of English law is "Ignorance of the Law is no excuse". If you kill an intruder in your house, not knowing it is illegal will not get you off a manslaughter or murder charge. Similarly, fielding a psyche is illegal whether you know it is or not. Hopefully, the first time it happens you will learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 A basic principle of English law is "Ignorance of the Law is no excuse". If you kill an intruder in your house, not knowing it is illegal will not get you off a manslaughter or murder charge. In England, maybe. Here, it will depend on the circumstances. Be that as it may, I don't think it's reasonable to draw parallels between the criminal law and the rules of a game. Similarly, fielding a psyche is illegal whether you know it is or not. Hopefully, the first time it happens you will learn. Fair enough. Apparently I don't understand your (English) definition of "fielding". I'll go read the Orange Book again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejak Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Fielding is allowing for a hand that is not included in the definition that you have given opponents in a way that is not permitted. I would be very surprised if "Ignorance of the Law is no excuse" was not part of American law. Parallels are not inappropriate between various rules you have to follow in different walks of life, especially when some are likely to follow from others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" is indeed embedded in American law. I was referring, though, to your comment about killing an intruder. In some states ("The Peoples' Republic" of Massachusetts, for example) the law in such cases is similar to England's. In others, it's not. I used to live in New Mexico. There was a rash of burglaries in the area, and in conversation about it with my next door neighbor, a state cop, he said "just make sure the body is inside the house when we get here". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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