kgr Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I'm sure that I did misbid this one and a better place would probably be the beginner list......But this is a good way for not forgetting.[hv=d=n&s=sqxxxhaxdakxxxcqx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]1♦-1♠3♦-4♦4♥-?? All bids are rather standard 1♦=4+♦3♦=Good hand with 6c♦ (14 pts is possible...but probably not with ♦AK in my hand)4♦=forcing (slam interest)4♥=Italian cue (1st/2nd control). If partner is missing a control then 5♦ is the best bid. If he is missing the extra's to bid 4NT then 4NT - RKC 4130 - is the best bid (and do you continue then over 5♣?).What should it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I would bid 5♦. I already showed slam interest, and now that partner cuebids the lowest available suit I can clearly show I have the values but no controls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 4NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 nothing is stopping me from reaching slam here, if aprtner has ♠K ♥KQ ♦QJ ♣A it is only 15 HCP so far and he should had more given the bad diamonds. so 4NT is is for sure. If you don't wanna bid 4NT your bid is 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 5H seems like a good description of our hand (no black suit control etc). 7 is still in play pretty easily opposite as little as --- KQx QJTxxxx Axx (which isn't a 3D bid but you get the point). edit: damn when I started writing that I was gonna be the 2nd reply lol. The problem with 4N is partner might not show a spade void imo (since it's our suit). I guess it's insurance against being off 2 aces, but it seems impossible that partner has jumped then cued with 0 keycards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I think 5♥ is perfect. No matter what you choose you definitely have a slam force and should be thinking about a grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 5♦ if pard knows what he's doing. Else just take charge and bid 4NT or some masterminding fake 4♠ cue, so that pard can bid 4NT himself. Josh's 5♥ is interesting, but it requires good partnership trust (don't wanna give a random pard an headache). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 If you bid 5♦, partner, looking at a queen-high suit, will pass like a shot. 4♦ didn't promise a 15-count with AK-A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 If you bid 5♦, partner, looking at a queen-high suit, will pass like a shot. 4♦ didn't promise a 15-count with AK-A. and 5 card support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Why did I bid 1♠ instead of making a forcing (GF if possible) bid in our known nine card fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Is 5♣ last train? I seldom get last train right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 5♣ should be a cuebid without a ♠ cuebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Why did I bid 1♠ instead of making a forcing (GF if possible) bid in our known nine card fit? Most people play this way, myself included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I did bid 5♦ because I thought that partner missed a control because he started cue-bidding, but he rather missed the extra's (and ♦AK) to bid more.After the opening lead partner claimed for +2.I was now convinced that 4NT is better than 5♦. Not sure yet if 5♥ is still better.(the claim and card folding was fast, and it wasn't the right moment to ask for a better look at partners hand :P , so I don't know partners exact hand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 I did bid 5♦ because I thought that partner missed a control because he started cue-bidding, but he rather missed the extra's (and ♦AK) to bid more. This sentence does not make any sense to me. could you rephrase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 I think he means partner had all the controls but was missing the ♦AK which is why he started cuebidding. He might as well just have used Blacky or re-evaluate after his partner showed values without controls... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 So he thought partner had all the controls and therefore he signed off? Still doesn't make sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 So he thought partner had all the controls and therefore he signed off? Still doesn't make sense to me. no han lol, there are 2 people thinking in this problem. One has a problem about suit quality and the other has a problem about controls, but somehow both though that partner had the same problem as them Ok, after rereading I am sure this is not useful at all for you :) kgr assumed partner had a cuebid problem when he started cuebidding when in fact he didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Ok, kgr had values but no controls. His partner had all the controls except for ♦AK. kgr thought that his partner started cuebidding because his partner missed one or more controls (while in fact he didn't), so he "signed off". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Ok, kgr had values but no controls. His partner had all the controls except for ♦AK. kgr thought that his partner started cuebidding because his partner missed one or more controls (while in fact he didn't), so he "signed off". More specific:My partner did bid 4♥ control.- I thought that he bid 4♥ control because he was missing a ♠ or a ♣ control and therefor I did bid 5♦.- But in fact: missing a control was not the reason for my partner's 4♥. He did bid 4♥ because he didn't want to take leadership of the hand. Which is logic because he already described his hand better then I did. (In the actual hand he did not have the extra's to take control of the hand, but probably he will very rarely take control after this bidding?)- Having ♦AK in my own hand should be more an indication of not bidding 5♦, because - not having ♦AK - it will be difficult for partner to continue over 5♦. Regards,Koen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 When I have responders hand and hear partner bid 3D I already know he has not made a very good choice. I would not therefore try anything strange, nor would I make any attempt to look for 7, even getting to 6 might bring a minus, however that is what I would do, 6D and hope it makes. I have no confidence it will make either :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Ok, kgr had values but no controls. His partner had all the controls except for ♦AK. kgr thought that his partner started cuebidding because his partner missed one or more controls (while in fact he didn't), so he "signed off". More specific:My partner did bid 4♥ control.- I thought that he bid 4♥ control because he was missing a ♠ or a ♣ control and therefor I did bid 5♦.- But in fact: missing a control was not the reason for my partner's 4♥. He did bid 4♥ because he didn't want to take leadership of the hand. Which is logic because he already described his hand better then I did. (In the actual hand he did not have the extra's to take control of the hand, but probably he will very rarely take control after this bidding?)- Having ♦AK in my own hand should be more an indication of not bidding 5♦, because - not having ♦AK - it will be difficult for partner to continue over 5♦. Regards,Koen You said 4♦ shows slam interest. - Why is partner afraid of taking captaincy with all controls in his hand? Doesn't he trust your judgement?- After the lowest available cuebid, how can you suddenly be no longer interested in slam? So what does 5♦ really mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 - Why is partner afraid of taking captaincy with all controls in his hand? Doesn't he trust your judgement?Partner has no idea what I have. I have some slam interest, but it is possible:- that this is only opposite a max and good fitting hand of partner; Eg: QJxx=Ax=xxxx=xx vs x=Kx=AKxxxx=AKxx (Maybe this is better example to bid ...4♦...5♦?)- It is possible that I'm interested in 6 or 7. If partner takes control then he will never know if he should bid 7?Eg: QJxx=Ax=AKxxx=Kx (If partner takes control, then he will know that we have all keys, but not that we can make 7?)- After the lowest available cuebid, how can you suddenly be no longer interested in slam? So what does 5♦ really mean?5♦ means: "I have no control in ♠ or in ♣"; but it also means(?): "I don't have a good enough hand to bid 4NT"NOTE: I did bid 5♦ at the table, so probably I'm not best placed to argue with you against a 5♦ bid :lol: ....and thanks for the support for the 5♦ bid because I thought it was very bad :lol: Partner claimed after the lead. So his min must have been something like with a Club lead:AKxxxQJTxxxAJ It is difficult for him to continue over 5♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Do you have the hand wrong, or does partner not know how to reverse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Do you have the hand wrong, or does partner not know how to reverse? As I said: I don't know partner's hand. But maybe he was not strong enough to reverse....I'll ask him what he had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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