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I'm sure that I did misbid this one and a better place would probably be the beginner list......But this is a good way for not forgetting.

[hv=d=n&s=sqxxxhaxdakxxxcqx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

1-1

3-4

4-??

 

All bids are rather standard

1=4+

3=Good hand with 6c (14 pts is possible...but probably not with AK in my hand)

4=forcing (slam interest)

4=Italian cue (1st/2nd control).

 

If partner is missing a control then 5 is the best bid.

If he is missing the extra's to bid 4NT then 4NT - RKC 4130 - is the best bid (and do you continue then over 5?).

What should it be?

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5H seems like a good description of our hand (no black suit control etc). 7 is still in play pretty easily opposite as little as --- KQx QJTxxxx Axx (which isn't a 3D bid but you get the point).

 

edit: damn when I started writing that I was gonna be the 2nd reply lol.

 

The problem with 4N is partner might not show a spade void imo (since it's our suit). I guess it's insurance against being off 2 aces, but it seems impossible that partner has jumped then cued with 0 keycards.

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I did bid 5 because I thought that partner missed a control because he started cue-bidding, but he rather missed the extra's (and AK) to bid more.

After the opening lead partner claimed for +2.

I was now convinced that 4NT is better than 5. Not sure yet if 5 is still better.

(the claim and card folding was fast, and it wasn't the right moment to ask for a better look at partners hand :P , so I don't know partners exact hand)

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So he thought partner had all the controls and therefore he signed off? Still doesn't make sense to me.

no han lol, there are 2 people thinking in this problem. One has a problem about suit quality and the other has a problem about controls, but somehow both though that partner had the same problem as them

 

Ok, after rereading I am sure this is not useful at all for you :)

 

kgr assumed partner had a cuebid problem when he started cuebidding when in fact he didn't

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Ok, kgr had values but no controls. His partner had all the controls except for AK. kgr thought that his partner started cuebidding because his partner missed one or more controls (while in fact he didn't), so he "signed off".
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Ok, kgr had values but no controls. His partner had all the controls except for AK. kgr thought that his partner started cuebidding because his partner missed one or more controls (while in fact he didn't), so he "signed off".

More specific:

My partner did bid 4 control.

- I thought that he bid 4 control because he was missing a or a control and therefor I did bid 5.

- But in fact: missing a control was not the reason for my partner's 4. He did bid 4 because he didn't want to take leadership of the hand. Which is logic because he already described his hand better then I did. (In the actual hand he did not have the extra's to take control of the hand, but probably he will very rarely take control after this bidding?)

- Having AK in my own hand should be more an indication of not bidding 5, because - not having AK - it will be difficult for partner to continue over 5.

 

Regards,

Koen

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When I have responders hand and hear partner bid 3D I already know he has not made a very good choice. I would not therefore try anything strange, nor would I make any attempt to look for 7, even getting to 6 might bring a minus, however that is what I would do, 6D and hope it makes. I have no confidence it will make either :lol:
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Ok, kgr had values but no controls.  His partner had all the controls except for AK.  kgr thought that his partner started cuebidding because his partner missed one or more controls (while in fact he didn't), so he "signed off".

More specific:

My partner did bid 4 control.

- I thought that he bid 4 control because he was missing a or a control and therefor I did bid 5.

- But in fact: missing a control was not the reason for my partner's 4. He did bid 4 because he didn't want to take leadership of the hand. Which is logic because he already described his hand better then I did. (In the actual hand he did not have the extra's to take control of the hand, but probably he will very rarely take control after this bidding?)

- Having AK in my own hand should be more an indication of not bidding 5, because - not having AK - it will be difficult for partner to continue over 5.

 

Regards,

Koen

You said 4 shows slam interest.

 

- Why is partner afraid of taking captaincy with all controls in his hand? Doesn't he trust your judgement?

- After the lowest available cuebid, how can you suddenly be no longer interested in slam? So what does 5 really mean?

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- Why is partner afraid of taking captaincy with all controls in his hand?  Doesn't he trust your judgement?
Partner has no idea what I have. I have some slam interest, but it is possible:

- that this is only opposite a max and good fitting hand of partner;

Eg: QJxx=Ax=xxxx=xx vs x=Kx=AKxxxx=AKxx (Maybe this is better example to bid ...4...5?)

- It is possible that I'm interested in 6 or 7. If partner takes control then he will never know if he should bid 7?

Eg: QJxx=Ax=AKxxx=Kx (If partner takes control, then he will know that we have all keys, but not that we can make 7?)

- After the lowest available cuebid, how can you suddenly be no longer interested in slam?  So what does 5 really mean?

5 means: "I have no control in or in "; but it also means(?): "I don't have a good enough hand to bid 4NT"

NOTE: I did bid 5 at the table, so probably I'm not best placed to argue with you against a 5 bid :lol: ....and thanks for the support for the 5 bid because I thought it was very bad :lol:

 

Partner claimed after the lead. So his min must have been something like with a Club lead:

A

Kxxx

QJTxxx

AJ

It is difficult for him to continue over 5?

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