cnszsun Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sjhaj832dajt852cj]133|100|Scoring: XIMP[/hv]You are sitting South:1C-(3S)-?I doubled because i don't think my partner will pass my double at this vulnerability and positon. My plan is to rebid 4D if partner bid 3nt or 4C.What will you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhar Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 I can see why nobody wants to be the first poster on this one! I would want to be in game, and I think that 4D is nonforcing. Maybe in theory it shouldn't be, but I would guess that most would take it that way (unless they play negative free bids.) Maybe double and then bid 5D over 3NT or 4C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Well, I am not bashful. Misho and I play meta bids (lots of post on this forum about them), but now only after preempts. Playing this way, a double here would be sort of like THRUMP, or a minor one suiter. We bid 4♦ as forcing ♦-ohter major two suiter. So I have with him, and easy 4♦ bid. Not playing meta, it is a bear. I think I go with dbl, but not overjoyed with it. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 If opener bids 3N I don't think 4D can be non forcing, Paul. This seems to me too much like trying to stop on the head of a pin. Hopefully pd has the nous to bid a decent 3 card H suit if he has one, as 3N should have definitely denied 4H.So for me, X and then 4DIf pd does happen to bid 4H, I'm not moving and if they got me, then they got me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 I agree with Paul that 4♦ should be non-forcing. I think that there are many more hands where you need to show a few values and something worth bidding than GF hands that want to force beyond 3NT. Most GF hands with diamonds can start with a THRUMP double or shoot 3NT. Having said that I am also into the meta-bid style of Misho and Ben. I predict that my partner and I will be playing 4♦ shows this hand by the time that she replies to my email. 4minor is such a useless natural bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Whoops having read Ron's reply I now understand that Paul meant that 4!d after 3NT was non-forcing. I have a partnership rule that covers this situation. I NEVER pull 3NT to 4minor with a bad hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 If opener bids 3N I don't think 4D can be non forcing, Paul. This seems to me too much like trying to stop on the head of a pin. Hopefully pd has the nous to bid a decent 3 card H suit if he has one, as 3N should have definitely denied 4H.So for me, X and then 4DIf pd does happen to bid 4H, I'm not moving and if they got me, then they got me. This post says it all. I absolutely agree. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Dbl should be ok. I am not worrying too much opp will get me. many good things can happen. Pd can pass, i have two aces, and a potential ruff in c. If pd bid 3N, i will pass happily. My d suit is running quite rightly, my sjack is a good card for 3N. if pd bid 4c, i will try 4d, then pd may get to 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Dbl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 X :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Double... I'll probably hear 3NT, but if I don't my problems are solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 I think this hand has slam potential.I double, then show my 2 suits.I want to be in slam in a red suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 4♥, the game you wish to play, problems will come in next round probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 I think this hand has slam potential.I double, then show my 2 suits.I want to be in slam in a red suit. "Slam potential" - Yes! But "I want to be in slam" - No! We have six losers. Partner needs to cover five of these for slam. They can be covered by high cards or a ruffing value in his short red suit and possibly by a finesse. On average I do not expect that a simple opening bid in one of our short suits will cover this many losers. I will not bid a slam unless partner shows a good hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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