helene_t Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 in fact that's the whole point on a strong club system IMO is finding the slams with the big balanced hands. No, the whole point of a strong club system is to be able to describe the 10-15 counts more accurately, since rebids that would have shown 16+ in a standard system become available for distributional hands. Strong-club players tend to lose on the strong hands because opps jam their auctions. Of course there are gains also, when opps get too aggressive or when opps do not interfere, but I think most strong-club players would say that on average they lose on the 16+ hands and gain on the 10-15 hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukmoi Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 in fact that's the whole point on a strong club system IMO is finding the slams with the big balanced hands. No, the whole point of a strong club system is to be able to describe the 10-15 counts more accurately, since rebids that would have shown 16+ in a standard system become available for distributional hands. Strong-club players tend to lose on the strong hands because opps jam their auctions. Of course there are gains also, when opps get too aggressive or when opps do not interfere, but I think most strong-club players would say that on average they lose on the 16+ hands and gain on the 10-15 hands. I believe that the natural 2♣ and the nebulous 1♦ opener are the clearcut losers in a forcing club system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 in fact that's the whole point on a strong club system IMO is finding the slams with the big balanced hands. No, the whole point of a strong club system is to be able to describe the 10-15 counts more accurately, since rebids that would have shown 16+ in a standard system become available for distributional hands. Strong-club players tend to lose on the strong hands because opps jam their auctions. Of course there are gains also, when opps get too aggressive or when opps do not interfere, but I think most strong-club players would say that on average they lose on the 16+ hands and gain on the 10-15 hands. I believe that the natural 2♣ and the nebulous 1♦ opener are the clearcut losers in a forcing club system. Strong Club != Precision... For example, in MOSCITO the 2♣ open promises 6+ Clubs (typically denies a 4 card major) The 1♠ promises an unbalanced hand with 4+ Diamonds (typically denies a 4 card major) Admittedly, we're "forced" to play 4 card majors, but some of us like 4 card majors... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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