dickiegera Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 The opening bid by dealer of 1♦ is passed to me in balancing seat.I hold: x, KQx, KQx, KQJ1087 Am I better to bid 3♣ or to double then bid 2♣ Partner holds AJxx,xxxx, xxx, AxWe need to get to 3NT if possible.I chose to double, partner bid 1♥, I bid 2♣ which was passed outComments please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I think 3♣ is better than double followed by 2♣. The thing is that if you double, somebody is going to bid spades. Dbl could find a heart fit for you, but in that case p must be quite weak (he has five hearts but couldn't overcall at the 1-level), and opps will be able to outbid you in spades. So try not to double with shortness in an unbid major, particularly spades. Partner might pass 3♣, though. If you dbl followed by 2♣, partner shouldn't pass. You will be showing some 15-18 points (a little less than the range for the same action in direct seat), so p needs to go for game. If he bids 2♠, you will bid 2NT, he will bid 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I would bid 3♣ on these cards, but I would not quibble with double followed by 2♣. If double followed by 2♣ did not get you to 3NT, it is unlikely that 3♣ directly will work, either. Both show good hands with a good club suit. The double followed by 2♣ tends to show a more flexible hand than 3♣ directly 3♣ emphasizes the club suit above all else. This hand is sort of in between, since it could play in hearts, but certainly not in spades. I think partner's decision is close as to whether to move on after either action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 partner should bid 1♠ to be able to bid 2/3♥ later. I think he has a clear move after 2♣, not sure how, but something like 2♦ for example seems to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 If this hand isn't right for 3C, there isn't one. Defined as a hand which would open 1C and rebid 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I hate to tell you, but if partner is bidding 1♥ with this hand over double, you were never getting to 3NT anyway, and I suspect you will continue to miss good games with this partner in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Yeah this is a good hand to bid 3C with, it's a strong player but you have no aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickiegera Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I hate to tell you, but if partner is bidding 1♥ with this hand over double, you were never getting to 3NT anyway, and I suspect you will continue to miss good games with this partner in the future.Explain Do you think 1♠ is better. If so I agree.You cannot jump with partner's hand in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 1S is prepared to bid 2H later. But the same problem about the 3NT decision would exist, since the spade and heart honors might be reversed and the prepared 1S response might still be bid. Hence, back to not doubling with the balancing hand. After 3c, advancer would probably just check for a diamond stopper and we land in 3NT. Would then be unlucky if opps can run five tricks (xxxx AJXX XXX AX or even the given layout). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I hate to tell you, but if partner is bidding 1♥ with this hand over double, you were never getting to 3NT anyway, and I suspect you will continue to miss good games with this partner in the future.Explain Do you think 1♠ is better. If so I agree.You cannot jump with partner's hand in my opinion From "Commonly Used Conventions: Takeout Doubles" "Make a jump response in yoursuit with 9–11 HCP, or a good 8HCP and some distribution. Supposeyou hold:♠K 10 3 ♥Q J 7 4 3 ♦10 4 3 ♣A 3.You should not bid 1♥ — youare too strong. You should jumpto 2♥, a bid that is invitational.Partner can pass if he has aminimum takeout double. If he has13 points and you have 10, that’snot enough for game. If he hasextra, he can bid again." With the hand you provided, I think he bid the wrong suit and the wrong level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickiegera Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I hate to tell you, but if partner is bidding 1♥ with this hand over double, you were never getting to 3NT anyway, and I suspect you will continue to miss good games with this partner in the future.Explain Do you think 1♠ is better. If so I agree.You cannot jump with partner's hand in my opinion From "Commonly Used Conventions: Takeout Doubles" "Make a jump response in yoursuit with 9–11 HCP, or a good 8HCP and some distribution. Supposeyou hold:♠K 10 3 ♥Q J 7 4 3 ♦10 4 3 ♣A 3.You should not bid 1♥ — youare too strong. You should jumpto 2♥, a bid that is invitational.Partner can pass if he has aminimum takeout double. If he has13 points and you have 10, that’snot enough for game. If he hasextra, he can bid again." With the hand you provided, I think he bid the wrong suit and the wrong level. It is not a takeout double we are talking about here. We are talking about a balancing double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 yep...a balancing double is different, and the advances are different. Advancer traditionally subtracts a King (3pts) from his holding to make up for the potentially 3 Pts lighter balancing action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I think that partner's pass of 2♣, holding 2 Aces and hearing you double then bid a new suit, was exceptionally passive to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I think that partner's pass of 2♣, holding 2 Aces and hearing you double then bid a new suit, was exceptionally passive to say the least. Master of the understatement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 If this hand isn't right for 3C, there isn't one. Defined as a hand which would open 1C and rebid 3C.Says it well :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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