Yes or no

[billw55]

A random 18-19 with bad diamonds?

That sounds stronger than the example hands that everyone thinks are just direct 4♠ bids.

[655321]

WHAT!!!  I didn't think sane responses were allowed on this forum  :)

Ah, now everything is clear!

[peachy]

OP stated that 3♦ is a "long suit trial".

ok, I missed that detail

Same goes for long suit tries, I answer the question that partner is asking. If by agreement I need BOTH the diamond filler AND more than minimum, then 3S. Otherwise 4S. But I still don't know their agreements.

[MarkDean]

I bid 3♠. This is always a tough problem: a max with bad stuff in pd's second suit or a min with good stuff. However, with this bad of a hand, I think 3♠ is warranted.

 

I know this is not popular, but I really do not like this re-invite, and last train stuff. In fact, I try (usually unsuccesfully) to get my partner's to agree you cannot invite over an invite, you almost always bid game or signoff - other bids are rare, and are if you think there might be a better strain.

[Free]

I know this is not popular, but I really do not like this re-invite, and last train stuff. In fact, I try (usually unsuccesfully) to get my partner's to agree you cannot invite over an invite, you almost always bid game or signoff - other bids are rare, and are if you think there might be a better strain.

With the last train re-invite you can at least show one of the problem hand types: minimum with help. So why not use the space you have available? Don't call it a re-invite, call it a "describe my hand" :blink: