haver Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 As dealer, vuln. against nonv. with an advanced partner u have: ♠ 3♥ Q,10,7♦ A,K,10,9,5,4♣ Q,8,3 what do u open: 1. pass2. 1 ♦3. 2 ♦4. other what do u expect as an optimal result of ur opening bid: 1. stops opps to achieve game or better2. stops opps to achieve best partscore3. helps for partner to achieve best partscore4. helps for our side to achieve game or better5. other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 1 ♦ is a clearcut.i want to achive 1-4 , but i dont need to think about it, i just have a simple opening bid so why do i have to think about achivments ?with 2-2 in the majors instead of this 1-3 ,and this vul' its possible to bid 2d but only if the partnership agreed to play this as a very very solid, in third hand this will make even more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhar Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 1D. Good enough for my students, good enough for me.ACBL Club Series points: 11HCP+2 for lengthOther teaching methods might include 2 or 3 for shortness instead.Meets all the tests. Rule of 20: 11HCP+6D+3 next longest suit = 20Rule of 22: Rule of 20 + quick tricks, add the 2 quicks for 22The Kaplan-Rubens hand evaluator at:http://www.gg.caltech.edu/~jeff/knr.cgi?ha...+QT7+AKT954+Q83comes up with 14.20 points for this hand. (I would open if the 10 and 9 of diamonds were small.) Has 2 quick tricks.There are no downgrades for unguarded honors.Has an easy rebid.Even a good lead directional bid (not necessary for an opener.)Partner should not be disappointed with this dummy in 3NT or 4H if he has a minimum opener without or with five hearts respectively.Partner should not expect any more than this if he doubles 4S.Need I say more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 this is an easy opening 1D to me... and my aim is simply to open a hand that should be opened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 This isn't even close. This is a normal, constructive 1♦ opening bid. Read about Zar points... :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 Change any queen with a J or ♦K to the ♦Q and still is a 1♦ opening (no need to use zar actually). What I want with opening is the same as rest openings, show my partner my strenght zone, and hopefully later some more about my shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 This is well within the requirements for a one-level opening for me. The optimal result that I am hoping for is that we can bid a making game or better. But I am not proud I will settle for a good part-score or to steal a game or part-score off the opponents. Fundamentally when I open I am hoping that I will give my partner some good information so that she can make a good decision later in the bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Open 1♦ and then rebid them second time --- honestly not sure WHAT I am hoping for from this hand but will ALWAYS open :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 This doesn't look like a borderline decision to me. I open 1♦. It describes my offensive strength, defensive strength, gives a good lead to partner if we end up defending, gets the first blow into the auction and so on. As such it could do any of the things you suggest and more! Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 1♦. I wouldn't accept it if my p bid something else with this beauty... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Since we're in 1st seat, there's no reason to think this isn't our hand. Just bid constructively, and open 1D. In 3rd seat you might take an unilateral shot at 2D, depending on how bad you need a top :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 An odd followup question, just because I can... 4th hand, would you pass, or open? Does it matter if the majors are switched? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Perhaps, it also depends on weither we need some imps or a top in MP's, and what our 2-level openings mean. I wouldn't open 1♦, but perhaps I'd bid 1NT if the majors are swapped. If p transfers in ♠, ok for me, if he transfers in ♦ I'll pass :D With the current hand however, I think I'll pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 "4th hand, would you pass, or open? Does it matter if the majors are switched? " 1D opening in first 3 hands. This is a pass in 4th hand - not even worth discussing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 An odd followup question, just because I can... 4th hand, would you pass, or open? Does it matter if the majors are switched? 4th hand after PPP - PASS as fast as you can :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 In 1st hand : clear 1♦ opening (easy 2♦ rebid and good lead for partner)in 4th hand : PASS (use the rule of 15 : HCP + Nbr of cards in ♠ <15 then "no opening ) :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Borderline ? Cmon!Don't want to be disrispectful but this was really a silly question.Clear 1♦ opening all positions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhar Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 4th hand I think the conditions are important. With the acutal hand I pass under any conditions (except perhaps playing against a pair which rates to give up at least a trick on either offense or defense!) Let sleeping spades lie. With the majors switched, with all due respect to the rule of 15, I think my two tens and nine make up for the lost point and expect to go plus more than 50% of the time (if pard has only 4 spades, the 4-3 might play OK, taking the taps in the short hand) so at matchpoints I think I would open. I would choose 1D rather than 2D to keep spades in the picture. At IMPs it's a different story. The conditions stated us vul, them not. With virtually no chance for game, the vulnerability is against us, hundreds going to the opponents and fifties going to us. While I would open at equal vulnerability (similar to matchpoints), at this vulnerability, I'll let sleeping hundreds lie. Interestingly enough, if the hand were freaky enough that game for either side were likely despite three passes, opening vul vs not would be an edge since the potential gain is around 600 and the potential loss is only 400. Opening bid style matters too. My regular partner and I tend to pass a lot of garbage that others would open (such as 4-3-3-3 12-counts.) If the opponents are frisky openers, or play a system which opens light systemically, such as Precision, then partner is the one with the cards and I need to open this hand (the one with 3-1-6-3.) All the plus factors don't make up for the lack of spades in the original hand though and I would pass the 1-3-6-3 even if I expect our side to have 22HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 "Rule of 15" is not a law, it's a tool which can guide you. However, sometimes you should pass with hands which give you more than 15, sometimes you have to bid with less. If you can't predict what will happen on a hand, this rule is a good evaluation method, however, if you can see in the future it's only a guide which we don't always have to follow blindly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rado Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Hi all1. In my view 1♦ is normal opening even in most conservative systems2. When sitting to play bridge I always expect to be in 7NT:-)Rado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Rule of 15 is a reasonable guide when you are in doubt, I ignore it when bid or pass seems celarcut. However, I did once try following it blindly with this hand: [hv=d=w&v=b&s=shqxxdkqjxxckqjxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] East-West had 4S on a crossruff though they couldn't bid it. Our limit was 3D. No one went plus with our cards, everyone else opened. An absolutely beautiful top. We had been behind and ended up finishing high. I would regard a position as extreme as this as shooting--but what a shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 "I would regard a position as extreme as this as shooting--but what a shot! " Interesting Mike, I would regard the hand yopu posted as a clear cut pass in 4th seat; not shooting at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Ron, The more I think about it the more I agree with you--pass is the correct call on the hand I posted. At the table I thought long and hard before throwing it in. After all, I can make five of a minor opposite a stiff heart and a minor suit Ace. But the problem is in that case, the opponents have a double fit in the majors and can make five and won't have any trouble bidding it. So we still go minus. I do think that this is an anti field bid, but the field is much more likely to be wrong than right here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 With the posted hand, it's a clearcut PASS. Swap the Majors, and perhaps it's better to open, since ♠'s are involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Funny how everybody has different opinions on this... LOL. Here are mine 1st & 2nd: 1D3rd & 4th: 2D I'm not afraid of pushing them into 4 spades by opening 1D in last seat. Opening 2D should be enough to keep them out of their spades. And if they do bid spades, the hand is defensive enough to set them at the 4 level, and probably at the 3 level as well (with some help from pard). Compare with the other hand -- Qxx KQJxx KQJxx: spade void and at best 1-2 defensive tricks. This one's much more dangerous to open, especially at the 1-level, and probably also at the 2-level. If something, open 3D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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