Cyberyeti Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sakj53ha52dak642c]133|100|Scoring: IMPWhat do you bid if partner opens: a)4♣b)5♣[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 5♣ I raise to 6. 4♣ I probably only raise to 5. Maybe 6. Depends on partner's style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 The contract will rest in 5♣ in both cases for me given the conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 6C on both. Seems like I have enough covers to allow for a club loser. But, as Helene says, would be nice to know what 4C looks like with this partner. Guessing 8 clubs --seven of them being tricks. However, opposite MY partner I would bid 7H/4C :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 4/5 level openings are usually made on 8 cards or a 7-4, so the side losers rate to be all covered. It's just a matter of asking pard how good the trump suit is. Using standard methods, it's 4NT over 4♣ and, I guess, 5NT over 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 pass 4 clubs, this is a broken suit, Q109 KJ9 or something like. KJ10 and QJ10 are possible though. against 5 club opening I am raising to 6, dont have the 5NT agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Fluffy, are you willing to risk passing out 4♣ at imps? Even 7330 is possible with AQ109. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 OK, partner has either: 10, xxx, x AQJ109xxx or 10, xxx, x, AQ987xxx Can the 6 bidders distinguish between the two over 4♣ ? We were playing a teams match and minding our own business as our opps bid 4♣-4♠. Partner led a diamond and after a misdefence this scrambled home on a trump endplay. Prize to anybody who led a trump from Q9xx, big prize to anyone who led the Q to kill the A♣. Team mates bid 5♣-6♣. The point of the example hands is that 4♦ would have been RKCB for our opps, so they could find out that partner had the AQ♣. The match was won by the team that got this right by 1 IMP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Suit quality agreements are a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 5♣ I raise to 6. 4♣ I probably only raise to 5. Maybe 6. Depends on partner's style This seems reasonable IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 4C I would definitely raise to 5. If partner has something like 8 to the KQ or even 8 to the ace game is good. Even 8 to the QJT9 is good. 5C I would pass, partner has a lot of 8-4 hands that are possible (esp white/red), and most people aren't as conservative as me in opening 5 white red and have a lot of stuff like 1138 or 0238 also with pretty crappy suits, and partner can basically have any 9 card suit. It's possible his trumps are playable for 1 loser obviously, but a lot of time they won't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 I would raise 4C to 5C and 5C to 6C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Hi, a) 6C - ok, being green vs. red, I am not 100% sure that it makes, but it will have a fair chance of makingb) 7C - unless being green vs. red, at this vulnerability, I am just raising to 6C. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Like most I raise each one level. Who knows, the opponents have no aces to lead so maybe on 5♣ p 6♣ RHO will lead a trump into his partner's KQx/KJx/AJx (or from Qxx if he is me) etc. even when it was wrong of me to raise. I could just as easily have a singleton or doubleton club and need a ruff as a void, in fact it's probably even more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 I would also raise both of them one level. Except that I play 4♦ keycards over 4♣, so if partner has 2 I try slam and hope for an 8-bagger or 7 with some body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Hi, a) 6C - ok, being green vs. red, I am not 100% sure that it makes, but it will have a fair chance of makingb) 7C - unless being green vs. red, at this vulnerability, I am just raising to 6C. With kind regardsMarlowe7♣ is just absurd, partner gets dealt 10 to the KQJ occasionally, but asking for keycards then bidding 7 opposite 2+Q is not silly. Partner and I were discussing this and wondered about using a modified ask that would say something about suit quality. A possible variant: 4♣-4♦ 4♥-no A or K, KQJ or AQJ 4♠ reasks, 4N=none, 5C=none + side ace4♠-K or A without Q or AKQ, 4N reasks, 5♣ = K or A without Q4N-KQ or AQ without J Do other pairs use enquiries like this in other circumstances (partner opens 3♥ and you have a big hand with a stiff king of partner's suit for example). It seems this should be a fertile area for improvement on standard methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Fluffy, are you willing to risk passing out 4♣ at imps? Even 7330 is possible with AQ109. Rethinking a bit, maybe I was too pessimistic, but partner having good 7 clubs is not my style at all, not even decent 8 ones, we never bypass 3NT with a minor when it is an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Hi, a) 6C - ok, being green vs. red, I am not 100% sure that it makes, but it will have a fair chance of making^_^ 7C - unless being green vs. red, at this vulnerability, I am just raising to 6C. With kind regardsMarlowe7♣ is just absurd, partner gets dealt 10 to the KQJ occasionally, but asking for keycards then bidding 7 opposite 2+Q is not silly. Partner and I were discussing this and wondered about using a modified ask that would say something about suit quality. A possible variant: 4♣-4♦ 4♥-no A or K, KQJ or AQJ 4♠ reasks, 4N=none, 5C=none + side ace4♠-K or A without Q or AKQ, 4N reasks, 5♣ = K or A without Q4N-KQ or AQ without J Do other pairs use enquiries like this in other circumstances (partner opens 3♥ and you have a big hand with a stiff king of partner's suit for example). It seems this should be a fertile area for improvement on standard methods. Hi, If you can check for KC, do it. If I cant, I bid 7C, if p opened KQJ to 10th, so be it. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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