stjk Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 IMP TEAM, both vul, 1st seat you have: KTxxxxAKJAKJx Playing 2/1, if you open 1S and pard bid 1N (f1), what would be your rebid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 3♣ as no amount of spades or notrump fits. It is arguably not even good enough to jump shift with the values so badly placed (you don't have to jump shift just because you have 19) but that would just give me more bidding problems anyway so I'd rather get everything off my chest. Now I wait for everyone to come out of the woods with their artificial 2NT rebids... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Without any special gadgets, I agree that 3♣ stands out as the best available choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kid Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 2♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 3♣ as no amount of spades or notrump fits. It is arguably not even good enough to jump shift with the values so badly placed (you don't have to jump shift just because you have 19) but that would just give me more bidding problems anyway so I'd rather get everything off my chest. Now I wait for everyone to come out of the woods with their artificial 2NT rebids... Agree with 3♣, but don't forget the "Gazilli 2♣ wtp?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 2♣ You must play 2♣ as F1 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 3♠ for me. Dislike it least. Jump shift is sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 2♣, even if not forcing, is not a bad option. If partner passes, 2♣ may be a decent spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kid Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 2♣ You must play 2♣ as F1 ? Not as forcing but I expect partner to pass very rarely (playing 2♣ as 2+). If he bids 2♥/2♠ it looks like a raise to 4. If partner has 5+♣s I will get raised opposite 8+. If partner has a weak hand with ♦s I don't want to be too agressive and force to game. Hopefully 2♣ will buy me some time to figure out what partner has and make a decision based on that. Only when partner has a weak hand with clubs and short spades will I get to play here, which I don't think is very common. In that case 2♣ should be a decent contract if the opponents don't balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Now I wait for everyone to come out of the woods with their artificial 2NT rebids... 2N artificial GF But if that's not available, I'll bid 2N natural as an almost GF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 2♣, even if not forcing, is not a bad option. If partner passes, 2♣ may be a decent spot. A little too strong for this imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 sounds like 2NT wtp, but agree with straube, if you don't play this as forcing it still fits the hand very well, specially helps towards finding your 5-3 heart fit. Bidding 3♣ with this makes me wonder how you will show 6-5 blacks before getting too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 2♣, even if not forcing, is not a bad option. If partner passes, 2♣ may be a decent spot. A little too strong for this imo Yeah, I mean I'd whip out 2NT artificial GF. But, 2♣ still seems reasonable (especially if sound openings) because the spade suit quality is so poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 I open a french 2♣. Ok not really. I would bid 3♣ barring any gadgets - any other bid will create other problems so I just want to be in some game. Who knows, maybe we'll have a good auction to slam after that as well. The suit quality is too terrible to consider 3♠ imo and you'll get to many wrong games if 3NT or 4♥ or even 5♣ is the spot which is likely given our suit quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmilne Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 3♣. Have to force to game. 2♣ is wimpy, 3♠ is terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Last year I was playing against a pair that didn't alert a non-forcing 1S - 1NT - 3C. My partner at the time thought this was reasonable since (according to him) all good pairs play some kind of gazilli. So let me use that argument to post: 2C WTP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stjk Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Thanks to all the replies. It seems so far 3C got the most vote (7 times) followed by 3S (6 times). Pard's actual hand is: AxTxxxKTxxAxx So if you bid 3C or some GF bid then you may end up in slam, which willmake (S 2-3 split, both HQ and CQ onside). If you bid NF 2C/2N/3S, you may endup in game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Well come on, if you bid 6♠ you don't need 3-2 spades, heart finesse, and club finesse. You need something more like 3-2 spades, and either the heart queen singleton or doubleton or third or the club finesse or a heart or club lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stjk Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Well come on, if you bid 6♠ you don't need 3-2 spades, heart finesse, and club finesse. You need something more like 3-2 spades, and either the heart queen singleton or doubleton or third or the club finesse or a heart or club lead. Sorry, what I meant is that the actual opponents card layout is S 2-3 and both Qon side, so the slam will always make if you bid it. Of course we don't need all ofthe above to make 6S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 3NT showing six spades and game values after an f1 NT would probably get us to a spade slam also. It might be a slight overbid with that opening hand, but 3NT has no better use for us, so it is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Thanks to all the replies. It seems so far 3C got the most vote (7 times) followed by 3S (6 times). Pard's actual hand is: AxTxxxKTxxAxx So if you bid 3C or some GF bid then you may end up in slam, which willmake (S 2-3 split, both HQ and CQ onside). If you bid NF 2C/2N/3S, you may endup in game. Kind of a loaded way to analyze this. If you do such-and-such, you might end up in slam, but then you might not. If you do the other, you might end up missing slam, but then you might not. Sounds like either route might end up in game or slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmilne Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 If you do such-and-such, you might end up in slam, but then you might not. If you do the other, you might end up missing slam, but then you might not. Sounds like either route might end up in game or slam. And either game or slam might make 10, 11, or 12 tricks. Anything could happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Having opened 1♠, I now bid 3♣. Probably the first time in like I make such a jump bid on 3 cards lol. (Would not open 1♠, though.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Having opened 1♠, I now bid 3♣. Probably the first time in like I make such a jump bid on 3 cards lol. (Would not open 1♠, though.) HUH? Let's see, here. A hand with six spades, and on the razor's edge between game force and not game force if partner has a response, would open something other than 1S? Only if playing a forcing club system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 or a natural system that has a bid for that sort of hand? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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