Poky Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 2NT 3♥3♠ 5NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 it sounds very odd but I play this as GSF, sounds like 2 voids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 I play this is choice of slams with exactly 5 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 It just offers a choice of small slams, but he might become interested in a grand slam if opener shows something interesting. If opener has something like AQx AJx KQJ10x Kx, a grand slam almost certainly just depends on having enough key cards. If opener has AQx AJx KQ10xx Ax, responder's diamond holding will be critical. And we have three whole bids available for exploration. 2NT auctions are great, aren't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 5NT = pick a slam (6NT or 6♠), I have a 5 card ♠. It doesn't show willingness to play grand, you have methods enough to investigate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 What do you play: 2N-3♥3♠-4N as ? I know I play it quantitative with some 5(332). Since 2N-5N says bid 6 or 7 quantitative, I see no reason why the same logic should not apply, we have 36-38 between us and I have a 5 card spade suit partner. If you have very sophisticated methods, you might choose to take it slowly instead, but certainly in a pickup partnership without agreement I'd expect it to be this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 4NT = quant, 5NT = choice of slams. This is far more important than any kind of grand slam try, so unless you can do both you need the choice of slams imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Just choice of small slams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 I think most pairs should know whether opener has fit or not, so 5NT is 'We're gonna play 6 at least but if you have you maximum let's play 7'. If 3♠ doesn't show/deny fit then I don't know, might be choice of slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Choice of slam = std Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Thread hijack- This auction was posed to me the other day: 1NT-2♥3♠-5NT ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 That's the GSF Fluffy was talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 sorry guys, but I play 3♥->3♠ = 3+ spades, 3NT = 2 spades. I don't play Pick a slam on any situation, but if playing it I still see no point once the spade fit is unveiled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 sorry guys, but I play 3♥->3♠ = 3+ spades, 3NT = 2 spades. I don't play Pick a slam on any situation, but if playing it I still see no point once the spade fit is unveiled. Then 5NT should just be invitational to 7NT like 2NT p 5NT. I still see no reason for you to play the GSF there (in fact I see even less reason if 3♠ denies a fit). Transfer at the 4 level then bid 5NT if you want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 ok, apologies accepted, don't worry about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 5332, partner is welcome to bid any suit, not just 6S or 6N, as we might belong in a 5-3 fit. I will pull with a doubleton. To bid GSF bid texas then 5N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 I have no idea why so many "Yes" votes. What ARE those people playing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 I have no idea why so many "Yes" votes. What ARE those people playing? Something very oldfashioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Something very oldfashioned? Most likely. "Pick-a-slam bids" are one of those notions that don't appear in most the bidding textbooks, and don't exist in practice outside of adv+ level regular partnerships. It would be a very fruitful area, if someone were to write up some guidelines sometime. Even then, in this particular auction 5NT is so high that it's going to need to carry an extremely specific meaning, and it's hard for me to imagine very many of those other than the ancient standard one that are appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 It's really a very understandable error to think this 5NT bid invites a grand. After all: 1NT - 4NT = inviting slam1NT - transfer - acceptance - 4NT = inviting slam1NT - 5NT = inviting grand1NT - transfer - acceptance - 5NT = .... Obviously someone who hasn't come across it before or who tries to extrapolate from similar bids might think the last auction invites a grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 5332, partner is welcome to bid any suit, not just 6S or 6N, as we might belong in a 5-3 fit. I will pull with a doubleton. To bid GSF bid texas then 5N I wondered why no one else mentioned this. I mean, partner could have six of a minor, even. The comment about Texas, then 5NT, as GSF makes me think. I can plausibly imagine this making sense, but I think a more precise "meaning" would apply. Normally, Responder could simply bid Texas and then Exclusion if there was a problem making GSF make sense. But, if the void was in hearts (the one-under suit), then maybe some response would be too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 It's really a very understandable error to think this 5NT bid invites a grand. After all: 1NT - 4NT = inviting slam1NT - transfer - acceptance - 4NT = inviting slam1NT - 5NT = inviting grand1NT - transfer - acceptance - 5NT = .... Obviously someone who hasn't come across it before or who tries to extrapolate from similar bids might think the last auction invites a grand. Not necessarily an error, undiscussed at less than top expert level even by people familiar with the "pick a slam" bid, it would be semi automatic to play it as quantitative. I threw it at a number of decent players last night, and all said that it was quantitative (although some wondered about GSF and rejected it). If you're not sure where to play, do some more bidding at a lower level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 5332, partner is welcome to bid any suit, not just 6S or 6N, as we might belong in a 5-3 fit. I will pull with a doubleton. To bid GSF bid texas then 5N I wondered why no one else mentioned this. I mean, partner could have six of a minor, even. The comment about Texas, then 5NT, as GSF makes me think. I can plausibly imagine this making sense, but I think a more precise "meaning" would apply. Normally, Responder could simply bid Texas and then Exclusion if there was a problem making GSF make sense. But, if the void was in hearts (the one-under suit), then maybe some response would be too high. There was a piece in this month's BW about this. The author believed that exclusion blackwood should bid bid as: 1NT-TransferAccept-SplinterBananas-Blackwood Normally I play:1NT-TransferAccept-ExclusionSince the very large jump is difficult to mistake. Is there a clear expert preference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Transfer then splinter then 4N being exclusion is nonsense. Maybe it works if partner signs off over your splinter (and even that is not so clear), but if they cuebid something then bidding 4N is just normal keycard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 I have heard of transfer then splinter then rebid the splinter suit as exclusion. I doubt I'd want to play that either but it makes a lot more sense than 4NT as exclusion there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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