ajm218 Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=saqtxxxhxxdcajxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP(4♥) x p ?[/hv] rotated for convenience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 5♠ for me, although 4NT (2 places to play)-> 5♠ is also possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 I bid 5♠ at the table wich shows a lack of heart stopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 In the only partnership where I've discussed the difference, 5♠ is a slam try either without heart control or with a slow heart loser (eg Ax); 4NT followed by 5♠ is a slam try with heart control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 and 5♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 5S = 1-suited in spades, with at least one heart loser (but not necessarily denying control, eg could have Ax)4NT then 5S = 1-suited in spades, without heart losers – suggests gaps in the minors4NT then 5H = agreeing the minor, first-round control4NT then 5NT = agreeing the minor, no first-round heart-control5H = S + another; can stop in 5S5NT = 3-suitedWe didn't spend a lot of time on this. The main idea was to make sure we had some agreement rather than none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 5♠ which I play slam try without heart control but doesn't require partner to bid slam even if he has one, if he is very minimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 5S = 1-suited in spades, with at least one heart loser (but not necessarily denying control, eg could have Ax)4NT then 5S = 1-suited in spades, without heart losers – suggests gaps in the minors4NT then 5H = agreeing the minor, first-round control4NT then 5NT = agreeing the minor, no first-round heart-control5H = S + another; can stop in 5S5NT = 3-suitedWe didn't spend a lot of time on this. The main idea was to make sure we had some agreement rather than none. Wouldn't you be better off playing 5♥ as a slam try with heart control, and 4NT only including 2-suited hands? That way you can stop in 5 of a minor with spades and a minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 If 5S forces to slam opposite a heart control then I would do that, but like some others I don't play that it forces to slam, just invites it. This is a problem because even hands like Kxxx x xxxx Kxxx (fill in whatever diamond points you want) make slam totally reasonable. So it helps to think about how often partner will be minimum/sub-minimum with a heart control, compared to how often he will simply not have a heart control. However it is also of note that if you bid 5S and partner bids 6H, now you can bid the grand (IMO), whereas you will virtually never hear a heart cuebid out of partner if you bid 4N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Dealer: West Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP ♠ AQTxxx ♥ xx ♦ [space] ♣ AJxxx (4♥) x p ? rotated for conveniencewell not sure which meta agreement would apply here over 5♠ but suspect it is the "do you have 2nd or better round control of their suit" rather than "If you have good trumps go to 6" but doubt remains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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