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[Cyberyeti]

[hv=d=s&n=skxxxxh10dq10xckqxx&s=sq109hkqjxxdxcaxxx]133|200|Scoring: MP

Playing acol, 4 card majors, weak no trump

 

1♥-X-XX(1)-P

P(2)-2♦-P(3)-P

2♥-P-P-P

 

1. pretty much any 9+ without support

2. not ashamed of opening bid

3. Forcing[/hv]

 

2♥ was a poor score, 2♠ or 3♣ play better.

[rogerclee]

Pretty sure I'd do the same thing. My feeling is that:

 

1) North's redouble is the best call but maybe 1S is best.

2) South's pass after that is normal.

3) North's pass of 2D is normal.

4) South's 2H bid is normal.

5) North's decision to sit for 2H is probably best.

[gnasher]

North should have bid 1♠. It's silly not to be able to find a spade fit just because an opponent has doubled. If your agreements require you to redouble with the North hand, I blame the agreement; otherwise I blame North.

 

Looking at it another way, rogerclee's points 2, 3, 4, and 5 are incontrovertible, yet you reached a poor contract. So, if the problem has a cause, it must be the redouble.

Edited February 11, 2010 by gnasher

[Codo]

Amen brother....

 

Don't reoduble with all 9+ hands. You get in trouble not your opponent.

[helene_t]

Redbl shows either a balanced/threesuited hand without a fit (probably denies a decent 4-card spades also, especially when playing 4-card majors which increases the chance that South has four spades), or a GF hand with one or both minors, assuming 2♣/2♦ nonforcing which is the most common treatment.

[effervesce]

I'd have bid 2♠ over 2♥. The XX is forcing to at least 2NT.

[hanp]

1S.

[Simplicity]

I think as others have commented the only vaguely debatable call is the xx.

 

Redouble with any 9+ with support doesn't seem a sensible agreement, but while i think 1♠ is better i can well see myself redoubling on this hand.

 

If you were to switch the black suits I would call this an obvious redouble and you would still be scoring poorly against people in clubs.

[jukmoi]

If you were to switch the black suits I would call this an obvious redouble and you would still be scoring poorly against people in clubs.

Why obvious redouble? After 1♠ partner would bid 2♣ and you would raise to 3♣. It is good to bid your suits while you still have a chance.

[Codo]

If you were to switch the black suits I would call this an obvious redouble and you would still be scoring poorly against people in clubs.

Not really, because you can bid 2 spade now to show exactly four spade, not much in heart, no hand that screams NT, so with some clubs.

[jdonn]

I blame the methods 100%, and for once don't feel I am copping out to do so.

[Cascade]

I would bid 1♠.

 

Having said that XX is a little unlucky in that from North's perspective immediately after the X the hand looks like a misfit where a redouble may well work out best.

 

A simulation suggests that over 70% of the time at least one side has a fit. This suggests bidding suits immediately in order to find your fit.

[Cyberyeti]

I'd have bid 2♠ over 2♥. The XX is forcing to at least 2NT.

This was closer to what I said at the time I would have done. XX is not F2N, but you can afford to bid 2♠ once partner has passed over the XX showing you have values for at least the 3 level.

 

To clarify what we redouble on, we'd probably bid a good 5 card spade suit (or any 6 card suit, spades or otherwise) rather than redouble, but Kxxxx is debatable.

[jjbrr]

I have agreements with partners about what passes and doubles mean in xx auctions. South would make a takeout double after 2♦