sceptic Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/...hp?tag=FULLHAND HOPE THIS GETS DONE CORRECTLY, FIRST TIME TRYING TO POST A HAND. this hand is from last night acbl touney I was in 5!d. can someone tell me where we went wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 No, the hand is no posted. Try it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted July 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 http://online.bridgebase.com/cgi-bin/history.pl?...00&p=2004-07-16 the hand is 5th from bottom, I am trying to work out how to post the hand on the generator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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inquiry Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 http://online.bridgebase.com/cgi-bin/history.pl?...00&p=2004-07-16 the hand is 5th from bottom, I am trying to work out how to post the hand on the generator You went wrong several ways. 1) The hand doesn't stay fifth from the bottom if you keep playing, because new hands are added. And even if you stop playing it might not, as more hands show up for a while. 2) You didn't use Cascades wonderful Linconverter, see his post. 3) You linked all the hands, you could have provided a link to the specific traveller, so that only one of your hands show up (open your hand results, click on the traveller). 4) You could check the traveller to see who others bid/played it, that might help you see where you went wrong. 5) Finally, here is what went wrong A} You bid 4♥. What your partner was playing was that a cue-bid of 3♠ ask for a spade stopper, you were playing it was stayman (maybe promising or denying a spade stopper). So you went wrong by not having a strong agreement on what the bid means. If I had no agreement with my partner what cue-bid means, I would have bid 3♣ with the responder hand, and when partner bid 3♥, now cue-bid 3♠ in an attempt to get to 3NT. B} Your partner then bid 5♣, he assumed to play, you assumed as a cue-bid fit for ♥. So you cue-bid ♦ in return. So you moved out of a makable 5♣ into an unmakable 5♦ Fred says not to use cue-bids at the five level somewhere in his notes. But the disaster from this second mistake is still tied to the first, you are CERTAIN you found your fit in ♥'s so "of course" 5♣ was a cue-bid. Bridge 101 - any bidding agreement is better than no bidding agreement. Make sure you and your partner know what a 3♠ is suppose to mean. BTW, here is the hand... [hv=d=w&v=e&n=st85h3dkjt3caq954&w=skqj62hq5dq942ct2&e=s743hajt862d85c63&s=sa9hk974da76ckj87]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South Pass Pass Pass 1NT 2♠ 3♠ Pass 4♥ Pass 5♣ Pass 5♦ Pass Pass Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted July 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 Thx Ben, I have not fathomed out how to use lin convertor yet, which cascade sent me. I am a bit dumb sometimes and it will probably take me ages to work out how to use it. Unfortunately (and I do appreciate your comments) it was another 5 diamond hand that went wrong I was asking about, I will try and get it up so I can get some feed back. Thanks for your time and effort Ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted July 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 the 4!h bid was FADS (I hope) I am learning lebensohl so 3!S denies stopper and first priority is to bid 4 of a major, the 5!C I assumed was a cue bid, so I bid my Diamond and passed out when I was left in it hahahaha. not my partners fault I may add, I am happy to take the blame for my many faults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 You had a system misunderstadning i think.It looks like you took 3sp as showing 4 hearts and as so bid 4h and thought 5c was a cue. your partner thought 3sp was just asking for stop.We play lebelsohl which mean 3sp does show 4 hearts and no spade stoper and with you partner hand he should bid 3nt shoing no 4 hearts and no stoper which you would pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhar Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 Without the initial passes, I would have said you clearly did nothing wrong. I'm leaning toward saying that anyway. Learning Lebensohl implies that partner is attempting to play it also. 3S promises 4 hearts. In light of that, when you show hearts, 5C has to be a cuebid. Unfortunately, it's hard to imagine a passed hand looking for a slam but you have to guess whether partner is highly optimistic or whether he made a mistake. You guessed wrong. That's all there is to it. If partner didn't just forget Lebensohl, he must have something like: xxx, AQxx, x, Axxxx. Although you have a great hand opposite this, slam is still less than 50% and I would have just bid 5H. But 5D isn't unreasonable. If partner could have originally passed something like xx, AQxx, x, Axxxxx, (only you know partner's style), then your 5D bid is going to pay off handsomely. If you had guessed that partner had misused Lebensohl (a tough guess to make because what if he didn't?), passing 5C turns out to be a winner. Playing a new conventions usually lead to one bad result when somebody forgets. It's happened to all of us. You seem studious. If your partner is equally studious, you can work out the kinks in one of BBO's Partnership Bidding rooms. I haven't tried it but those that have used it rave about it. You can set parameters for all four hands. Set one to open 1NT, give the next hand a typical overcall, which could be just about anything versus notrump, and randomize. I made the mistake of giving the responder game going hands in a simulation and my partner pointed out that my aggressive bids were working becuase I knew all the hands had at least 26 points. Bid a few that way, then turn it around and let the other hand be the 1NT opener. Many kinks will be worked out before you play a single card. It would also be helpful during this practice if both you and partner had an identical explanation of the convention so that when talking about an auction, you could say, "Here in the fourth paragraph..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted July 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 [hv=d=w&v=n&n=st87542hkjdj54ca6&w=sk93haq84da63cqj5&e=sjh62dk972ck97432&s=saq6ht9753dqt8ct8]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South 1NT Dbl! 2♠ Pass 3♣ 3♠ 4♣ 4♠ Dbl Pass Pass Pass I am just testing this. please ignore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 17, 2004 Report Share Posted July 17, 2004 Glad to see the LinConverter is working for you!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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