Mutually Assured Destruction

[PhantomSac]

Just comes down to style imo. I would open 2S in my standard partnerships, if I played a system with light openers (as I do when I play strong club), I would open 1S. I think it is too much of a stretch to open 1S in a standard system without any agreements about opening light.

 

I would never pass, and I would never open 3S.

[Codo]

fav. I would never try 2 ♠. Aynthing else is fine.

[whereagles]

obvious 1S zar opening wtp? :lol:

[Gerben42]

Pass, what IS the problem really?

 

1♠ is crazy, 2♠ a partnership breaker and anything higher is surreal.

[ArtK78]

I would open 2♠ unless my system dictated very light openings.

 

For example, playing with my regular partner, nonvul 1st and 2nd seats we open all 10 counts and I would open 1♠. A weak 2 bid under those conditions would be 3-9 HCP and possibly 5 bad spades. That would be absurd for this hand, so a one-bid would be required.

 

By the way, while no one has explicitly argued the point in this thread, I don't believe there are any hands too good for a weak 2 bid but not good enough for a one bid. I know that there are some who disagree (and the post about agreeing not opening a weak two bid with 2 aces comes close to this argument).

[jdonn]

I used to agree I couldn't open a weak 2 with 2 aces, then I kept wanting to. Then I agreed I couldn't do it with 2 outside aces, but I didn't want to pass with JT9xxx x Ax Axxx. Then I decided to stop making arbitrary rules that override judgment.

[pooltuna]

Pass, what IS the problem really?

 

1♠ is crazy, 2♠ a partnership breaker and anything higher is surreal.

Oh you are in this campground too? Where do I pitch my tent? :)

[mike777]

AT98xx

x

xx

A9xx

 

Favorable BAM 1st seat (if you choose something dramatically different in some other circumstances please comment) :unsure:

 

(this is from an old thread)

tough playing lite openers.

 

pass

 

 

Way too good for 2s at fav vul first seat.

Just a shade too light for one spade. Move that h into my diamonds then I open 1s

 

6=0=3=4

[campboy]

Way too good for 2s at fav vul first seat.

Just a shade too light for one spade.

Like Artk78, I would think those two statements are inconsistent. This is an easy 2♠ for me.

[mike777]

2s for me shows an 8 ltc or worse....so I think this hand is way too good for that

 

 

Not good enough for 1s even opening lite. 6=0=3=4 would be minimum with only two bullets.

 

How is pass inconsistent with those partnership agreements?

 

 

Otherwise if you must open 1s or 2s fine, but what does those bids show?

 

I mean if this hand in your style is 2s fine but specify what 2s at fav vul shows in first seat.

 

I stick with pass.

[hanp]

I think that it is entirely reasonable to think this hand is too strong for 2S and too weak for 1S, and to pass.

 

However, if you decide to open very light such as mike777 (I recall him giving Axxx xx xxx AQxx as a minimum) then I think it is very good to open 1S with this hand, or in other words, very bad not to.

[billw55]

With my regular partner, 2♠ and no second choice. I play this with a fairly wide range. I hear so many reasons not to bid 2M ... 6332 bad, void bad, outside aces bad, suit not solid bad, and so on. So what's left, we only open 2M on exactly 6331 with no side values and at least KQJxxx? I don't see the point of restricting it so much that it rarely gets bid, and then when it does you might as well face your cards to the ops. Flexible seems more useful.

[andy_h]

I used to agree I couldn't open a weak 2 with 2 aces, then I kept wanting to. Then I agreed I couldn't do it with 2 outside aces, but I didn't want to pass with JT9xxx x Ax Axxx. Then I decided to stop making arbitrary rules that override judgment.

I agree with this. There just seems to be lots of stages you can go through and usually end up settling on having judgement being the dominant factor not (heavily) influenced by these rules.

[jdonn]

However, if you decide to open very light such as mike777 (I recall him giving Axxx xx xxx AQxx as a minimum) then I think it is very good to open 1S with this hand, or in other words, very bad not to.

Yes that is obvious. How can you claim to play ligher openers then not open this? It's nearly good enough for a regular opener.

[mike777]

We agreed to open with less than 9 very rarely.

 

 

 

3 first round controls something like:

 

 

Atxx...AT9xxx.....void......xxx or maybe something with more than ten cards in our long suits.

 

Yes NV in first and second seat we would open:

 

 

Axxx...xx....xxx....AQxx

[jdonn]

We agreed to open with less than 9 very rarely.

 

 

 

3 first round controls something like:

 

 

Atxx...AT9xxx.....void......xxx or maybe something with more than ten cards in our long suits.

 

Yes NV in first and second seat we would open:

 

 

Axxx...xx....xxx....AQxx

You realize that the hand you are opening is a LOT worse than the hand you are passing, right? Why would you make arbitrary agreements about needing 3 first round controls when following them clearly forces bad judgment upon you? Tell me what this agreement gains for you.

[mike777]

Thanks posters for taking the time to reply.

 

 

You have convinced me this is an easy 1s opener, playing lite openers.

 

Again ty.

[gwnn]

this hand was stolen from this thread

 

http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=2542

 

I am absolutely not implying anything about the correct bid on this hand or whether or not the ZAR count is right. Just wanted to know how everyone else felt. (I'd bid 1♠) I thought there will be war and bloodshed let loose by this hand, but the result fell much short of my expectations.

[jdonn]

I hope inquiry wasn't suggesting slam should be missed after 2♠...

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

a possible auction to reach 6S for the 3rd hand may look like

 

Pass - 1D

1S - 4H (1)

5C (2) - 6S

 

(1) splinter

(2) first round control, should show the Ace

the downside is, you will have duplication in hearts, but the partnership

should have at least 24-25HCP outside of hearts, the relevant HCPs are

34, for small slam to be fairly cold, you need 30HCP of those, i.e with

the current strength, there are reasonable chances, that slam is on, so

East sghould make one add. move.

 

I am not certain, that I would find the 5C bid, but I think, it would be a good

bid, so you dont need to open the hand to reach 6S.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: If you are a believer in the LTC, than to move with the East hand is also

justified.

[barryallen]

Fred Gitelman always describes his rationale so well in these situations. For me 2S vun would describe this hand, leaving a 1S nv as the best of a not so perfect job.

[nige1]

AT98xx x xx A9xx

Favorable BAM 1st seat (if you choose something dramatically different in some other circumstances please comment) :)

(this is from an old thread)

IMO 1♠=10, 2♠=8, 3♠=7, _P=6.