kfay Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 A few reasonable players have, for some reason, eschewed the action I took on this hand... [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s653hq72dkq64cq85]133|100|Scoring: IMP2♣-2♦2♥-3♥3♠-4♦4♥-?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I would bid 5C. Three extra queens warrant an extra try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I would bid 5C. Three extra queens warant an extra try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I would bid 5C. Three extra queens warant an extra try. warrant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Wait a second.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Does partner have any inferences about our hand besides the ♦K and trump support? Could we/have we made a serious try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Isn't our side missing a club control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 It is possible that partner has a club control but a hand not good enough to go past 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 What is 5H now in this auction (or in an auction like this)? No more controls but just scattered values too good to sign off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Yes, but I think that 5C is more descriptive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 To me 4D then 5C would imply that I have diamonds and short clubs, I would just bid 5H here. Obviously the 5C bidders think they have denied a club control already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 To me 4D then 5C would imply that I have diamonds and short clubs Wouldn't you splinter with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 distinct danger of getting to slam sans the requisite number of bangers. 4s as sub blackwood last train? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 distinct danger of getting to slam sans the requisite number of bangers. 4s as sub blackwood last train? wat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted February 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 distinct danger of getting to slam sans the requisite number of bangers. 4s as sub blackwood last train? I disagree with this because with 2 Aces I basically will always bid slam anyway. So if partner bids slam we're only off 1 ace at the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pict Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I'd pass 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 ♠AKQJ ♥AKJxxx ♦A ♣Jx First step -- can partner be lacking a cluib control? Sure. This 23-count qualifies. Second step -- if the 5-level safe even if partner lacks a club control? ♠AKQ ♥AKJ10xxx ♦-- ♣Jxx You can't exactly open this 1♥. Somewhat of a stretch, admittedly. Probably an easier one to construct. Third step (my first step -- I don't need the other two) -- what are partnership rules as to cuebidding? If my 4♣ denied first or second-round club control, and if partner's 4♥ call rejected slam on that basis, then why would I bid past game even if the risk of a set requires some freak like a trump stack or a trump promotion or a void or some other strange possibility? If we lack club control, we lack club control. The "asnwer" to this sort of question boils down to how your partnership handles these auctions. Personally, my opinion is that serious 3NT makes sense here but that nonetheless Opener cannot bid 4♥ after a denial of a control if he has that control, period. He either bids 4♥ the first time (and hopes for a call by you) or cues past 4♥ or something. If systemically you want a general punt try (I want to invite slam but I don't want cuebidding principles to be corrupted), then perhaps an "impossible cue" makes sense. For example, suppose the auction goes like this: 2♣-P-2♦-P-2♥-P-3♥-P-4♦ WTF?!?!? Right. Opener has no spade control and no club control. This is barely possible. ♠QJ ♥AKQJ10 ♦AKQJ ♣QJ does work, but with that could'nt Opener just bid 4♥?!?!? I mean, arguably a 4♦ "cue" by Opener cannot logically make any sense as a slammish cue. That might therefore make more sense as a "problematic last train call." In other words, a hand with controls everywhere but general slam interest. (A friend of mine calls this a "wrap-around cue.") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I pass 4♥ and If I had to bid anything I think 5♥ would be my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Pass looks good to me, assuming we are playing some sort of sensible cuebidding agreements. (Which I am not sure we are, given no 3NT over 3S. Even if it's not Serious, it's very handy as a "can you cuebid clubs or not, partner?" waiting bid.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretzalz Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Am I the only one that just wants to respond 2N to 2C and be done with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 I may be missing something or just living in the 20th century here, but three extra queens, after we bid 3♥ and not 4♥ at our second turn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 A few reasonable players have, for some reason, eschewed the action I took on this hand... [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s653hq72dkq64cq85]133|100|Scoring: IMP2♣-2♦2♥-3♥3♠-4♦4♥-?[/hv] I would pass, I bid2d=game force3h=slam try4d=slam trypass I give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Uhh, we have a 9 count with 3 card support and no jacks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 I have to be honest I would expect my pard to just rkc.....4s over 4d if we have slam......I have made slam tries. I grant I rely alot on rkc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Am I the only one that just wants to respond 2N to 2C and be done with it? Yes (but I like 2♠=8-10 balanced so in a way I am with you) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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