PFormaini Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 [hv=d=e&v=b&n=sq764hj75dk73c962&w=s852hk93d10642cqj4&e=sj10h10864da85ck1087&s=sak93haq2dqj9ca53]399|300|Scoring: IMP South opens 2NT. North raises to 3NT. West leads the ♦2 [/hv] If you Defend, specify all your key plays. If you Declare, state your line of play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 sorry, if i get to choose to defend i get to choose my opening lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 sorry, if i get to choose to defend i get to choose my opening lead. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFormaini Posted February 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 sorry, if i get to choose to defend i get to choose my opening lead. Sorry. If you actuallydefend, you don't get to see the other 3 hands before making a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 sorry, if i get to choose to defend i get to choose my opening lead. Sorry. If you actuallydefend, you don't get to see the other 3 hands before making a decision. i also don't lead the ♦2 from that hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 also, anyone have an idea of which book this was stolen from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFormaini Posted February 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 sorry, if i get to choose to defend i get to choose my opening lead. Sorry. If you actuallydefend, you don't get to see the other 3 hands before making a decision. i also don't lead the ♦2 from that hand. Gee - I;m sure the multi-time World Champion who led the diamond will be crushed by the opinion of some nobody. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 I think the best thing to do in these threads is make as many posts as possible that don't answer the question. Anyone with me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFormaini Posted February 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 I think the best thing to do in these threads is make as many posts as possible that don't answer the question. Anyone with me? If it involves showing that your bridge skills are minimal, I'd say you have proposed the perfect solution. :D What better evidence would one need? I'd post an easier question, but sadly they don't get much easier than this without resorting to Flash Cards and crayons. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 If one line of play takes 9 tricks, and another line of play takes 8 tricks, what is the swing (in number of tricks) between these lines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 If one line of play takes 9 tricks, and another line of play takes 8 tricks, what is the swing (in number of tricks) between these lines? 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 If this multi-time world champion is so good, can he play the first 6 or 7 tricks for me before I make my decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFormaini Posted February 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 If one line of play takes 9 tricks, and another line of play takes 8 tricks, what is the swing (in number of tricks) between these lines? Well, let's see now. If we're talking the same pair, 1. If we're talking one pair or the other, then we're talking 17. Much as if I loan N-S 9 dollars, but they give me back 1, I am out $8 - while if I loan N-S 9 dollars and then have to loan E-W 8, I am out $17. Unless, of course, you are stupid enough to think that one side taking either 8 or 9 tricks and one side taking 8 while the OTHER takes 9 can both be said to constitute the same thing - a '1-trick difference'. But considering some of the folks here, mathematics can hardly be said to be their strong suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Ok fine I'll answer the question. I choose to defend 7NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Answer hidden: East has to duck AD as otherwise there is no entry to the long club and declarer can just concede a heart, ducking clubs twice if necessary. If declarer now plays a heart, defence just play on clubs and there is no ninth trick without losing to AD and defence have five winners. If declarer plays a second diamond at trick two East wins and defenders lead clubs twice then a third diamond, leaving West with a good diamond when he wins KH. Cashing spades doesn't appear to create any pressure as they can afford heart discards. So I vote defence. The people who complained about the diamond lead can instead choose a heart and let it make if they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFormaini Posted February 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Answer hidden: East has to duck AD as otherwise there is no entry to the long club and declarer can just concede a heart, ducking clubs twice if necessary. If declarer now plays a heart, defence just play on clubs and there is no ninth trick without losing to AD and defence have five winners. If declarer plays a second diamond at trick two East wins and defenders lead clubs twice then a third diamond, leaving West with a good diamond when he wins KH. Cashing spades doesn't appear to create any pressure as they can afford heart discards. So I vote defence. The people who complained about the diamond lead can instead choose a heart and let it make if they want. Nigel: Good to see there is at least 1 mature adult here!!! Very nice! Your key play is precisely what is required. Good job!!!! The hand is from the 1955 European Championship - and discussed in Bridge World magazine - both in the Fall of 1955 and again in August 2002 - where the solution you posted was 'discovered' after having escaped the eyes of the editors and thousand of readers for over 45 years. (Previously, your solution had NOT been considered definitive.) Jean Besse - one of the best players who ever lived - found your solution at the table!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyams Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 If one line of play takes 9 tricks, and another line of play takes 8 tricks, what is the swing (in number of tricks) between these lines? 17 me too. I am now totally convinced it is 17 :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Nigel, you know very well they'd all have led the Q♣ in the post mortem until dummy came down with K10xx rather than partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 If one line of play takes 9 tricks, and another line of play takes 8 tricks, what is the swing (in number of tricks) between these lines? Well, let's see now. If we're talking the same pair, 1. If we're talking one pair or the other, then we're talking 17. Much as if I loan N-S 9 dollars, but they give me back 1, I am out $8 - while if I loan N-S 9 dollars and then have to loan E-W 8, I am out $17. Unless, of course, you are stupid enough to think that one side taking either 8 or 9 tricks and one side taking 8 while the OTHER takes 9 can both be said to constitute the same thing - a '1-trick difference'. But considering some of the folks here, mathematics can hardly be said to be their strong suit. hm what does this mean? google translate doesn't have Formiani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 WD, Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 the translation is CAYUGA, but you already knew it. WD nigel, but you should thank the previous jokes for acomplishing it though, if you have just answered it from the beginning Cayuga would had changed the original post so your solution is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 CAYUGAaaaaaaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 :( no cayuga either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFormaini Posted February 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 If one line of play takes 9 tricks, and another line of play takes 8 tricks, what is the swing (in number of tricks) between these lines? Well, let's see now. If we're talking the same pair, 1. If we're talking one pair or the other, then we're talking 17. Much as if I loan N-S 9 dollars, but they give me back 1, I am out $8 - while if I loan N-S 9 dollars and then have to loan E-W 8, I am out $17. Unless, of course, you are stupid enough to think that one side taking either 8 or 9 tricks and one side taking 8 while the OTHER takes 9 can both be said to constitute the same thing - a '1-trick difference'. But considering some of the folks here, mathematics can hardly be said to be their strong suit. hm what does this mean? google translate doesn't have Formiani. "google translate doesn't have Formiani. " Apparently gwnn's bridge ability is on a par with their ability to render 8 letter words right in front of their face correctly without turning them into 9 letter words. We call that a swing of 1 letter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 You sure love to insult the bridge abilities of those who mock you. Why don't we level the playing field and let you tell us about your best bridge accomplishments. You know, other than changing the original hand in a thread after finding out your argument about it was wrong, stealing hands from books, using multiple handles on bbo forums. Keep it to bridge playing accomplishments please. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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