pbleighton Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 You open 1S, partner says 1NT. Discussions I have seen say to rebid spades if you have 6. When (if ever) is it appropriate to show hearts instead. Would you rebid 2H on any of these?1) xxxxxx-AKxx-AQ-x2) xxxxxx-AKxxx-AQ3) Qxxxxx-AKxxx-Kx4) xxxxxx-AKxxxx-A5) Axxxxx-AKxxxx-x Would you open 4) 1H? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Hi, I guess you mix up two hand types:If you have a one suiter, repeat your suit with 6.But if you have a two-swuiter (5-4 or more) always rebid your second suit, if you have enough HCP to do so.So in your examples, always bid 2 Heart. Maybe in some hands, you can think about a jump to three heart, but for me the hands are just a little to weak for that. The easy rule: If you can bid your second suit cheap (lower then the opened suit), then do so.If you have to reverse, then do so if you have extra strength. Kind Regards Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 I am far from certain that the instructions you have been given regarding rebidding 2S anytime you hold six is incorrect. With a second suit you certainly should show it. However, in fact, I frequently do not rebid a six card spade suit, even with 6-3-3-2 patterns. If there is time later, perhaps someone will join in with me and start discussing why this would be case. However, I will address your specific question of what to rebid on the hands you proposed. Would you rebid 2H on any of these?1) xxxxxx-AKxx-AQ-x Absolutely rebid 2H, that looks like a five card spade suit to me (inspite of having six "x's") 2) xxxxxx-AKxxx-AQ I would treat this as 5-5 and rebid 2H 3) Qxxxxx-AKxxx-Kx No problem, I rebid 2H 4) xxxxxx-AKxxxx-A 2H if I opened 1S. I would open this 1S because I suspect there will be considerable interference and I want to be able to bid both my suits. 5) Axxxxx-AKxxxx-x I would not rebid 2H, I would rebid 3H with this rock crusher. hehe Of course I would hope some of my x's were 9's and 8's. When I jump rebid 3H like this, I catch partner with 7 clubs to the QT and four diamonds and I get roasted. But on the other hand, if you bid 2H, and he bids 3C were you really passing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted May 12, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 "I am far from certain that the instructions you have been given regarding rebidding 2S anytime you hold six is correct. With a second suit you certainly should show it. " The instructions (3 sources) just said rebid with 6, and din't specifically deal with 2 suiters. You and Roland both say to show your second suit if you have one, by implication minor suits too. Would you do this with 4 small and a good 6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rado Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Hi Pbleighton, The instructions for rebiding 6 cards spades when other 4 cards suit are corect when the other suit is minor and the strength is abt 11-14.For stronger hands it's better to bid the minor anf after to bid 3S to show the strength and distribution of the hand.When holding 6S4+H it's always better to bid 2H first, the exception might be 6 very strong spades with 4 small hearts.Good description may be found in Mike Lawrance book abt 2/1Best regards, Rado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 "I am far from certain that the instructions you have been given regarding rebidding 2S anytime you hold six is correct. With a second suit you certainly should show it. " The instructions (3 sources) just said rebid with 6, and din't specifically deal with 2 suiters. You and Roland both say to show your second suit if you have one, by implication minor suits too. Would you do this with 4 small and a good 6? I should have been a little more specific... I show my second major (hearts) if I have one. I show my minor on some hands if my suit is very weak (which your examples were) or if my hand is strong. I see that Yzerman rose to the challenge nicely to describe what hands should rebid 2S and what ones should not in a brand new thread with a similar title. I can't add much to what he said there, other than to say, I play pretty much the same way as he described, and I think this is the correct way to rebid. Note he gave examples where with 6-3-3-2 (no second suit), he didn't rebid 2S... and he explained why. This is exactly what I was talking about in my reply to you where I said I don't even rebid 2S on some hands with that distribution. Rado gave a much shorter explaination of the same thing. And as I said before in this forum, disagree with him at your peril. :) But really, there are lots of sources that say "rebid 6 card major" because that is just a lot easier than trying to explain when you should and when you should not. And those instructions are very easy for beginners to follow... count to six and you have your rebid without a lot of other things to think about. But good players do not follow ANY RULE blindly. And if you use myhands site to examine what good players bid, you will see that they don't rebid 6 card majors all the time over forcing 1NT. That is a great use of the Myhand site... and the bbo movie viewer...see how others bid the hands you bid. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnszsun Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 I want to raise another question about "rebids after 1s-1nt".If you have a hand with 5-4 or better in spade and heart, how strong does it need to rebid 3H, other than 2H?I'm interested in this because one time i have a deal with 5422 and 17hcp, bidding like this:1S-1NT2H-PASSmy partner pass with 9 hcp, 3 hearts and 2 spades, we have a good game in 3nt or 4h, 4s, btw, we play 2over1 system.my question is in 2over1 system:1)how strong it should be here for a 3H rebid?2)how weak responder can pass partner's 2H rebid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Playing 2/1 GF. 1S-1NT2H-PASS 1)how strong it should be here for a 3H rebid? Let's divide this question into two parts. How strong should opener be for a 3H instead of a 2H bid, then how strong should responder be to raise 2H to 3H. If opener jumps to 3H, it is forcing. And since your partner can be very weak, the requirement for the jump is fairly high in terms of playing stregnth. Surely a 17 hcp and 5422 distribution will not reach this requirment. Responder would need about 7 or 8 hcp and a fit to raise to 3H (depends on distribution and location of the honors). 2)how weak responder can pass partner's 2H rebid? This topic has been discussed somewhat in the past in great detail by Yzerman. See... http://forums.bridgebase.com/in...howtopic=52&hl=and http://forums.bridgebase.com/in...howtopic=38&hl= I am particularily fond of this quote from the second link above... "the 1NT responder promises a rebid 99% of the time UNLESS he just cant stand it (single spade, <=6 or "bad/non-fitting" 7) . Following this rule, your partner with a fitting 9 count would simply have had to make another call. Maybe 2S, maybe 2NT, maybe 3H. It would have depended upon your style. I hope these links help you. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 I agree with Rado about the first question. If anything, I'm more inclined to show a 4 card minor. Marty Berger teaches his students 6-4-6 as the correct way to show 6-4 hands, values permitting. With regard to the second question, this is one of the most difficult construtive auctions in 2/1. 1S-1N-2H-3H can is around 8-12 and opposite some of the light opening bids out there, 4H instead on a good 12-bad 13 may not work well. Precision players have a much easier time with this. On opener's good hands, he either bids 1C to start or rebids 3H not forcing. Now responer can pass 2H with 8-9 and his 3H raise is much better defined. Our 1C opening costs us points, our limited openings get them back and some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 You open 1S, partner says 1NT. Discussions I have seen say to rebid spades if you have 6. When (if ever) is it appropriate to show hearts instead. Would you rebid 2H on any of these?1) xxxxxx-AKxx-AQ-x2) xxxxxx-AKxxx-AQ3) Qxxxxx-AKxxx-Kx4) xxxxxx-AKxxxx-A5) Axxxxx-AKxxxx-x Would you open 4) 1H? Thinking ahead helps almost always :huh: If y have a second suit bid it, that's very big part of the Forcing NT response ;) And for the 6-6 hands, how come I never get any of them :o , I think it mostly depends on the SP quality, 1098765 is a lot better then 765432. But it is very hard to show 6-6 hands since they hardly ever happen, so y kinda have to wing it. That said I will open hand 4) 1H and hand 5) 1 SP if spade suit looks something like A109xxx. Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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